Logic model for quantizing a real infinity: Proof of the universe by God.

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Well, if God is quantum mechanics, then we don't need the word "God" since we already have the math in place for quantum mechanics.

You'd think you wouldn't need "QM" either. Or best yet: God or QM is fine, so long as you know X = X but carry different labels.

 

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Nothing, as long as he can show QM directly points to God and God directly points at QM.

If someone else can also assume, QM points at Zeus, the flying spaghetti monster or aliens, he hasn't really objectively shown anything, except assuming something.

If God and QM are the same thing, it's meaningless to ask that one point to the other, just like it's pointless to say the word "bat" in Japanese and in English each point to one another. They don't point to one another because they're just words; both words stand for the same thing, and that's the point.

Zeus, FSM are both unfair comparisons, given that people believe that they're already fictional, which means assuming God is fictional too. Aliens is different, and more fair IMO given the fuzzy evidence for aliens, but within severe restrictions.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Well, if God is quantum mechanics, then we don't need the word "God" since we already have the math in place for quantum mechanics.

Combine the equations for QM, gravity, and the dark energy constant and you'll have the 1st of 4 tiers in the universal equation.

2nd tier is electro magnetism.

3rd tier is the graviton.

4th tier unfolds the weak and strong nuclear force.


Those are the roots under the surface of things, everything visible are as leaves.


And as you hint at, I might need to drop the word "God" altogether. After all, if I say "The Man" some will automatically assume I mean the corporate "evil white man" immortalized by Homie the Clown. Others might think of the manliest man at the height of what it means to be a fully developed, self responsible Male. Who's right? Neither.

And so to avoid confusion (I am simply talking about a physical human being), I'll describe the shape of the skin, orifices, external and internal structure, mutually dependent and simultaneously arising systems and structures, etc, etc, etc.

It requires a certain amount of circumambulation.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Off to work, bbl. When I return I promise I will tell you what my physics credentials are.

 

[bhsmte]

If God and QM are the same thing, it's meaningless to ask that one point to the other, just like it's pointless to say the word "bat" in Japanese and in English each point to one another. They don't point to one another because they're just words; both words stand for the same thing, and that's the point.

Zeus, FSM are both unfair comparisons, given that people believe that they're already fictional, which means assuming God is fictional too. Aliens is different, and more fair IMO given the fuzzy evidence for aliens, but within severe restrictions.

My point is, how would one know, God and QM are the same thing?

 

[lesliedellow]

Which is a problem inherent with getting too deep with science at an abstract level, not Usus per se. Lack of predictability just means he's theorizing and philosophizing, but the road can't help but go down this way given the nature of the road.

a.) If you are going to use scientific ideas, then your gobbledygook needs to bear some relation to how those ideas are used by scientists. Otherwise, it is not philosophy; it is pretentious twaddle.

 

[lesliedellow]

If God and QM are the same thing,

Do you think F=ma and God are the same thing?

No?

Then how come the Schrodinger Wave Equation and God are the same thing?

 

[bhsmte]

a.) If you are going to use scientific ideas, then your gobbledygook needs to bear some relation to how those ideas are used by scientists. Otherwise, it is not philosophy; it is pretentious twaddle.

Completely agree.

Nothing wrong with this dude coming up with his own hypothesis, that he clearly has given a lot of thought to. The problem arises, when a claim is made he can use science to prove his point.

 

[Received]

Do you think F=ma and God are the same thing?

No?

Then how come the Schrodinger Wave Equation and God are the same thing?

I'm not claiming they are, leslie. I'm backing Usus and his freedom to think such without irrationally (IMO) being labeled a quack.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

My point is, how would one know, God and QM are the same thing?

Why is no one seeing the functional distinctions I am making. "QM" is not "God"

If the universe is like the body of a man: QM are the bones (Holy Spirit), the skin is God the Father, and the heart is God the Son. The heart is the center of electromagnetism for the body, or conduction for the body whole.

GOD spread Himself apart to create/become these specific relationships and singular structures. Boundary conditions.


The QM field is 1 of 3 distinct, structural, mutually dependent relationships formed simultaneously at the beginning of the universe.

 

[bhsmte]

Why is no one seeing the distinction I am making. "QM" is not "God"

If the universe is like the body of a man: QM are the bones (Holy Spirit), the skin is God the Father, and the heart is God the Son.

The heart is the center of electromagnetism for the body, or conduction for the body whole.

The QM field is 1 of 3 distinct, structural, mutually dependent relationships formed simultaneously at the beginning of the universe.

Fine, tie it all together using legit science, that will specifically support your idea and doesn't give a multitude of other possible options.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Fine, tie it all together using legit science, that will specifically support your idea and doesn't give a multitude of other possible options.

As I posted before from the physics department of the University of Oregon: unification, spacetime foam, quantum vacuum, quantum fluctuations

Birth of the Universe :


Physics of the early Universe is at the boundary of astronomy and philosophy since we do not currently have a complete theory that unifies all the fundamental forces of Nature at the moment of Creation. In addition, there is no possibility of linking observation or experimentation of early Universe physics to our theories (i.e. it's not possible to `build' another Universe). Our theories are rejected or accepted based on simplicity and aesthetic grounds, plus their power of prediction to later times, rather than an appeal to empirical results. This is a very difference way of doing science from previous centuries of research.

 

[Received]

My point is, how would one know, God and QM are the same thing?

"Know" is the operative word here. We can't know when speaking of metaphysical stuff like God. But that doesn't mean we can't whittle down the possibilities a whole lot, so that equating God (given X and Y reasoning applied to X and Y about QM) to QM isn't a valid probability.

 

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a.) If you are going to use scientific ideas, then your gobbledygook needs to bear some relation to how those ideas are used by scientists. Otherwise, it is not philosophy; it is pretentious twaddle.

You're appealing to the populace here by equating what scientists consider in with not pretentious twaddle.

 

[Ana the Ist]

a.) If you are going to use scientific ideas, then your gobbledygook needs to bear some relation to how those ideas are used by scientists. Otherwise, it is not philosophy; it is pretentious twaddle.

Twaddle with knobs on!

 

[lesliedellow]

Why is no one seeing the functional distinctions I am making. "QM" is not "God"

If the universe is like the body of a man: QM are the bones (Holy Spirit), the skin is God the Father, and the heart is God the Son. The heart is the center of electromagnetism for the body, or conduction for the body whole.

GOD spread Himself apart to create/become these specific relationships and singular structures. Boundary conditions.


The QM field is 1 of 3 distinct, structural, mutually dependent relationships formed simultaneously at the beginning of the universe.

What a load of......... words fail me.

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

What a load of......... words fail me.

It's okay, I have enough for us both.


So earlier I pointed out how a vector equilibrium in radial 3d sets up as a star-tetrahedron Koch fractal lattice, it has 8 repeating points. I also related earlier how the Holy Spirit is associated with 8 in the bible. Just prior I related the HS like the bones of the universe.

How is man made in this image? Our skeleton has 8 major divisions: Head, neck, torso, arms, hands, pelvis, legs, feet. 8.


The Holy Spirit is supposed to be the source of all men's inspiration form God yes? The inpouring of God's Spirit that renews our souls right? I wonder if that has any kind of physical counterpart?

So I look over here at my handy dandy periodic table, head down the list to the atom with 8 electrons/protons/neutrons and low and behold, oxygen!




Surely just an amazing coincidence... *popcorn*

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

Twaddle with knobs on!

I have more knobs than you can handle!!!


...that is not an invitation to man handle my knobs!!!





I am uncomfortable with this metaphor......

 

[Usus Vox Tractus]

This is what I'm talking about when I say drop the science. Eternal now? I'm no physics major and I can find problems in that. Namely, you've got god doing stuff...like creating universes. So even with just that one change/event....we can describe a linear time movement starting before he created the universe, going to when he created the universe, and ending after he created the universe. They can't all be the same "now".

They can as separate spaces.

An example would be a vertical creation of caterpillars in the downwards direction. The newest ones always on the bottom. If they develop in place into butterflies there would be all different times represented by the stages of development all in the same now of external space.

This is similar to the wave front creating an infinite plane of spheres (universes) repeatedly, stacking downwards.

God remains above, where it all started, where the butterflies are born from the top of the vertical stack. They have entered eternal time/space and fly through the medium of the original God.

 

[Received]

Twaddle with knobs on.

Sounds like the next Radiohead album.