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Logic: if apes connected to humans, humans can "reconnect" to humans - what is the good of that?

How many reconnections does it take, to create peace with the species you were?

  • You can have peace without reconnecting anything

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  • You can have peace with a single reconnection

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  • Peace comes with a number of reconnections, from a couple to a few to several

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  • Peace comes with the number that is natural in distinction to one's parents

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  • Peace comes at random, because we all get infinite chances

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  • Peace shows the way to working out how many reconnections are needed

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  • God shows the way to reconnect, and that is simple enough

    Votes: 1 50.0%

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FrumiousBandersnatch

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This is a mistaken interpretation of what Einstein was talking about. He said time was an illusion because his theory of relativity implies a block universe - i.e. past, present, & future are equally real. Relativity concerns relative motion - two observers in relative motion will see each other's clocks running slow (a reference frame is the abstract set of points in space that are static with respect to some observer, so observers in relative motion will have different reference frames).

It has nothing to do with whether you could 'remove planet Earth'. Seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, and years, are just the way we measure the time we experience. It will still (seem to) pass at one second per second for every observer wherever they are, Earth or no.

So the upshot of relativity is that, given people in motion with respect to each other, events in one person's future can be in someone else's past, and events in their future can likewise be in someone else's past. IOW, events in your future have already happened for some observer, which means they're fixed, which means your future - the events and how you respond to them, is fixed, determined. So, according to relativity, not only is time an illusion, free will is also.

I suspect that's not what you were intending to say when invoking Einstein...
 
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Ok, so if time is an illusion, then it still takes a human to perceive an illusion .. There's your frame of reference right there .. the human mind.
Basing Evolution on time makes sense from that same frame of reference .. and when last I checked, Einstein also used his human mind to conceive Universe, Frames of Reference and thence, Relativity.

What (frame) are you using to claim time as an illusion? Are you saying time doesn't make sense from that frame?
eleos 1954 said:
Time in regard to the universe is NOT a fact .... it's an illusion. It is UNKNOWN.
Time in regard to the universe makes sense .. that's all that matters.
 
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Meh .. Einstein was already coming from a deterministic realism viewpoint .. until he encountered the Bohr arguments, perhaps(?)

I often wonder why the frame implied in the concept of say, a spacetime diagram, is almost never explicitly spelled out .. with the exception of Minkowski's diagrams I suppose, where it is explicitly spelled out as being Minkowski's frame. (A discussion for another time/thread, I guess ..?)
 
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What are you responding to?

you lol (I thought) .... post #44 ... you quoted my question and didn't add anything, so thought you were re-asking the question ... perhaps not.
 
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Meh .. Einstein was already coming from a deterministic realism viewpoint .. until he encountered the Bohr arguments, perhaps(?)
Special Relativity was an explanatory model for the postulates that the laws of physics and the speed of light were the same for all observers. Does that imply deterministic realism? I don't know.

There is no preferred frame in relativity.
 
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Apes are in no way connected to humans. If you believe in God you should not believe the evolution nonsense.
 
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Apes are in no way connected to humans. If you believe in God you should not believe the evolution nonsense.
Plenty of people believe in God, but also accept scientific evidence.

In your opinion, what is the difference between an ape and a human?

Modern chimps are both less intelligent and less upright in movement... but they are numerous extinct species who bridge that gap.
 
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Apes are in no way connected to humans. If you believe in God you should not believe the evolution nonsense.

If someone wants to follow your suggestion, and stops believing in evolution, how would you explain Neanderthal man and homo Erectus to that person in an understandable way.
 
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