Logan and Deadpool.....

[NothingIsImpossible]

Anyone see these movies? I am going to see Logan tomorrow. Already seen Deadpool 3 times.

Its kind of frustrating when people, especially Christians complain about them being horrible and if they would have known they wouldn't have brought their kids. Do people not know how the ratings work? Or do they maybe not even notice the rating and just assume its kid friendly? Or maybe tey just assume because its Marvel that its safe to see with kids (well really for older kids).

For example with Deadpool there was a MASSIVE rage from parents about it being disgusting and they had to leave because their kids were terrified. Most admitted they didn't know the rating and did see it because it was Marvel. So you would think they would have learned to check ratings, especially about a movie with Wolverine...who has claws. I mean you can guess why its rated R.

Now I realize some christians as adults wouldn't see this and I totally respect that. Obviously its not exactly something Jesus would see. Though I believe we all have our Holy Spirit telling us what we can handle. I can handle R rated movies for example. Not that I see something just because its R.

In the case of Deadpool I didn't really need to see the weird ways they had sex. At least there wasn't nudity. Still I won't usually see a movie if theres nudity (like breasts or genitals) or if there are sex scenes. And I won't see a movie where the swearing is excessive just for the sake of it. Though with Logan I expect the F word to be used alot.

I also don't like mindless gore stuff. Which is why I don't watch horror movies. That and I think they tap into a evil side. Like Poltergeist, Saw...etc. Actually only horror movies I have seen (by choice) was the Final Destination movies (which were great) and Alien. Though not sure Alien is really horror. More of a scifi movie.

Anyways what are your thoughts on all this? Have you seen Deadpool or Logan? Why or why note?

 

[Left]

I haven't seen either movie, because I haven't really had the interest.

What is this "Deadpool" like? Is he the Sheldon Cooper of superheroes?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Hes the "Merc with a mouth". Hes a anti-hero. He is always comedic and sarcastic. Though sometimes his humor can be more on the dark side.

By anti-hero hes more like Spawn, The Punisher, Judge Dredd, The Comedian (Watchmen) and Rorschach (also from Watchmen). Though his comedy isn't as cruel/sick as The Comedian. Granted I never liked the Comedian. Hes wants to be an X-Men but they tend to turn him away since they have rules about how things are done. Which is why he and Wolverine are great to watch since he drives Wolverine nuts since ones so serious and the other is so funny/passive aggressive.

But yes hes sort of like Sheldon in terms of sarcasm and sometimes not understanding somethings socially. Though hes not super smart.

 

[CrystalDragon]

I haven't seen Deadpool because even though he seems funny (and I like the humorous Marvel Cinematic Universe characters like Iron Man and Doctor Strange), I have an aversion to sexual things in movies. Most violence I can handle though.

I want to see Logan, but I haven't seen the other X-Men movies so I need to catch up.

 

[Poppyseed78]

I saw Deadpool. I don't remember much sex in it aside from various references, but the violence was gratuitous. The opening scene was quite funny, and the sarcastic banter was amusing. Like most superhero movies though, the ending was very predictable. Also, the villain has the same flaw as any other comic book villain - too much pride. It was interesting to see Ryan Reynolds in a more "gritty" role than usual, but I wouldn't say this was completely original for the superhero genre.

There are too many movies nowadays that depend on profanity for shock value. For example, every other word in the movie Spy (with Melissa McCarthy) is the F word. That cheapened the movie and became distracting. The movie would have been much better if they cut out 90% of the profanity.

 

[Silmarien]

Haven't seen Deadpool yet, but I saw Logan this weekend. It was too gratuitously violent for me--they crossed several lines they really shouldn't have. There's gritty and then there's making a film so dark it loses its humanity entirely. The whole thing is very scorched earth. I didn't have problems with the gore or profanity (though there's a lot of both), but I was ready to walk out after a specific scene in it. If they'd made a couple different choices, I'd have liked it.

 

[AvgJoe]

For Deadpool, I read a family friendly preview of the movie, and it wasn't family friendly at all, so we did not watch it. Haven't looked into Logan yet.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Anyone see these movies? I am going to see Logan tomorrow. Already seen Deadpool 3 times.

Its kind of frustrating when people, especially Christians complain about them being horrible and if they would have known they wouldn't have brought their kids. Do people not know how the ratings work? Or do they maybe not even notice the rating and just assume its kid friendly? Or maybe tey just assume because its Marvel that its safe to see with kids (well really for older kids).

For example with Deadpool there was a MASSIVE rage from parents about it being disgusting and they had to leave because their kids were terrified. Most admitted they didn't know the rating and did see it because it was Marvel. So you would think they would have learned to check ratings, especially about a movie with Wolverine...who has claws. I mean you can guess why its rated R.

Now I realize some christians as adults wouldn't see this and I totally respect that. Obviously its not exactly something Jesus would see. Though I believe we all have our Holy Spirit telling us what we can handle. I can handle R rated movies for example. Not that I see something just because its R.

In the case of Deadpool I didn't really need to see the weird ways they had sex. At least there wasn't nudity. Still I won't usually see a movie if theres nudity (like breasts or genitals) or if there are sex scenes. And I won't see a movie where the swearing is excessive just for the sake of it. Though with Logan I expect the F word to be used alot.

I also don't like mindless gore stuff. Which is why I don't watch horror movies. That and I think they tap into a evil side. Like Poltergeist, Saw...etc. Actually only horror movies I have seen (by choice) was the Final Destination movies (which were great) and Alien. Though not sure Alien is really horror. More of a scifi movie.

Anyways what are your thoughts on all this? Have you seen Deadpool or Logan? Why or why note?

I used to be a huge Marvel comics fan growing up. I even wanted to work for Marvel as a comic book artist (Seeing I am a really talented artist - winning awards as a grew up as a child). I had thrown out my comic books when I first accepted Christ (Thru a Chick tract called "This Was Your Life"). But later slid back into the ways of the world and ended up loving those things again. Movies like Deadpool, Logan, and Doctor Strange and TV shows like Dardevil, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage only help to reinforce my decision in putting away the things of the world again (And staying that way). The problem with Deadpool is that it glorifies bad language, sex, and violence. Logan glorifies violence and doctor strange glorifies witchcraft (Which is condemned in the Bible). Even Captain America who is a Protestant Christian according to the Marvel Comics Universe is not going to be Captain America any longer in the films. A Christian character who stands for freedom is going to be no more. Granted, even movies like Captain America 2 (Which I used to really love) glorifies violence. Yes, in the OT, God had commanded His people to act violently in taking down their enemies, but we are not in the OT anymore. We are New Testament believers and God desires His people to be pacifists today. The problem with Daredevil (a show I used to really like a lot because it paralleled the comic really well) is that the name of the super hero has got the name "devil" in it. He also dresses like a devil, as well. Paul says to avoid in having any appearance of evil. Also, the character is involved in a religion I do not agree with and then there is the violence again. Luke Cage appears to mention the Bible and be in support of it, but the character promotes sleeping around outside of marriage (Teaching kids that it is okay to do so - Seeing he is a super hero). Jessica Jones is even worse whereby it promotes sexual immorality even more. Again, I used to like these things. But God talked to my heart about these things and how they were wrong.

The Bible says,

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." (1 John 2:15).

So my encouragement is to ask Jesus to give you the strength to follow Him and give up these things of the world.

Personally, after recently putting away these things away like Marvel comics and it's films, I then realized that these things are everywhere. They are like idols for people. People look to these heroes and they place their symbols on their clothes, etc. You go to the store or an airport and you run into people promoting these heroes. But they are sinful heroes. They are not heroes like the ones described in the Bible.


Side Note:

As for horror movies: When I renewed my faith in the Lord, I had put these things out of my life a long time ago. While I watched super hero movies and science fiction films, I considered horror movies to be exceptionally wrong. For they clearly glorify evil. In fact, I remember one time when I came across a couple of folks watching a zombie movie; When I seen the zombies on the TV screen, it made me feel instantly feel sick to my stomach. When I was an unbeliever (Before I accepted Christ), I used to love these things. But after putting these things out of my life, I seen just how dark these things really were.



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[NothingIsImpossible]

Yeah Logan Marvel said was going to be the darkest Marvel movie since its the future of Logan and of "mutant kind" so to speak. If not for Deadpools success at being a R movie, Logan wouldn't have been made. At least not as dark as it was. I have heard that in Logan the deaths are brutal. Not sure how brutal though. In the red band trailer he stabs a man through the head with his claws and you see his claws coming out the top of the guys head. Dismemberment wouldn't be all that shocked to me.

Unless its worse the Final Destination then I probably won't worry about it.

Side note. I loved Doctor Strange. While they don't use witchcraft, they do use their version of magic. One could argue they are one in the same. And I could agree magic is magic. But witchcraft is an actual thing in real life. As is satanic ritual stuff. Doctor Stranges magic is just fantasy magic. Which is why I watched Lord of the Rings and loved it. It was fantasy (well and the story was by a christian). Where as I refuse to see Harry Potter because its half based on witchcraft as the author stated. I mean obviously real witches don't have magic wands that let you shoot lightning or fly on brooms. But they do have some connection to satanic power. Ask former witches who are now christian.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Yeah Logan Marvel said was going to be the darkest Marvel movie since its the future of Logan and of "mutant kind" so to speak. If not for Deadpools success at being a R movie, Logan wouldn't have been made. At least not as dark as it was. I have heard that in Logan the deaths are brutal. Not sure how brutal though. In the red band trailer he stabs a man through the head with his claws and you see his claws coming out the top of the guys head. Dismemberment wouldn't be all that shocked to me.

Unless its worse the Final Destination then I probably won't worry about it.

The problem is that movies of the world can influence us into the world's way of thinking. Also, to see these movies is to condone the violence that they promote. Would you act like the character Wolverine? Now the movies are getting even worse. Morality in these films is slipping even more. This is all a part of the devil's agenda. To promote sinful things (even if they may be subtle).

Side note. I loved Doctor Strange. While they don't use witchcraft, they do use their version of magic. One could argue they are one in the same. And I could agree magic is magic. But witchcraft is an actual thing in real life. As is satanic ritual stuff. Doctor Stranges magic is just fantasy magic.

Besides, technology, any super natural power outside of God is of the devil's kingdom. Hollywood tries to repackage or resell you on the idea that magic is not magic. But this is a lie. Doctor Strange according to the comics is a magician and he uses the mystical arts and spells to do his thing. The movie may try to explain it in some other way, like it is not magic, but it is. I know. I tried to rationalize these things myself. I used to watch the Justice League cartoon and Young Justice and thought these things were taking place in some kind of alternate universe where these things were not evil. But they are evil because they relate to our real world. Back in the 80's and 90's I grew up in a world where people played dungeons and dragons and other role playing games. What seemed like harmless fun led into the thinking that magic was okay and so soon, I used to think if I could create my own spells and make things to happen (just like in the game). Even in Thor the film, they try to explain away the magic by saying it was just a different form of technology. Yet, this was not the original premise in the comics. Again, it is a repackaging of an evil practice of the occult. All forms of magic are evil. You can say it is technology, but the characters have been well established in the comic books in being known to support magic.

Which is why I watched Lord of the Rings and loved it. It was fantasy (well and the story was by a christian).

Just because somebody says they are a Christian does not mean they are one or that they are correct on every point of doctrine.

I also used to love the Lord of the Rings, etc. But this is something that is in support of magic. Magic in the real world is of the occult or of Satan. We can try to rationalize it by saying it is fantasy or some make believe world where magic is okay, but that would be ignoring the reality of our own world or universe. We are supposed to bring our thoughts captive to Christ.

"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." (2 Corinthians 10:5).

Where as I refuse to see Harry Potter because its half based on witchcraft as the author stated. I mean obviously real witches don't have magic wands that let you shoot lightning or fly on brooms. But they do have some connection to satanic power. Ask former witches who are now christian.

I honestly do not see the difference between Harry Potter, and Doctor Strange. They both promote that magic is okay. The Bible condemns the use of magic. It is simple as that.



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[NothingIsImpossible]

Eh we can agree to disagree. Well I mean I do agree about be careful what we fill our heads with. But I also believe if someone feels something is affected how they act/are then they should cut ties with it. For example my atheist friend who swore like crazy. It started to affect me and then I started swearing all the time. So I cut ties with him. In regards to Deadpool, it doesn't affect me at all. I have no violent thoughts, I have no thoughts of "kinky sex", no thoughts of swearing...etc. In terms of magic like Doctor Strange I didn't like the astral projection since that is something that people actually believe in. However overall magic was just fantasy so I don't take it seriously or let it affect me.

Though I am curious on your views of the lion, the witch and the wardrobe series of movies (books originally). Those were written by a christian to sort of give a message about the bible. Do you like that series? It to has fantasy stuff and things that could technically be seen as unbiblical magic, animals...etc.

Now I will say one thing (and this isn't directed at you really, just general statement) I always found frustrating is MANY christians won't see movies like Lion,Witch, Wardrobe or LOTR...etc because they say its witchcraft, magic and evil. And yet those same christians celebrate Halloween. A holiday about the devil, witchcraft and evil. Their kids will dress up in outfits and get candy from people. Some even will do the haunted houses and watch "kids halloween" movies. Seems like they are they are preachy about the subject unless its something their kids want. In this case their kids are upset because they miss out on halloween so they give in. Some even create "harvest parties" instead. Which to me changes nothing. Having the event on the same day doesn't make it different, its still halloween with a new name.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Eh we can agree to disagree. Well I mean I do agree about be careful what we fill our heads with.

First, these things will not be in God's Kingdom. Second, the Scriptures say we are to focus on good things and not evil things.

"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." (Philippians 4:8).​

I don't see how sinful secular movies fits in with this above verse.

For it is a proven science that what you repeatedly put into your mind can change your thoughts or at least desensitize you to certain sins. For example: Sexuality is pushed heavily in movies and films. So no doubt this is going to effect you when you look at women in public. It will be harder to not look at them in lust because movies push them as sex objects outside of marriage.

Third, we are told not to love the world or the things within it. If we love the world (which would include the things within it) then the love of the Father is not in us. (1 John 2:15).

But I also believe if someone feels something is affected how they act/are then they should cut ties with it. For example my atheist friend who swore like crazy. It started to affect me and then I started swearing all the time. So I cut ties with him. In regards to Deadpool, it doesn't affect me at all. I have no violent thoughts, I have no thoughts of "kinky sex", no thoughts of swearing...etc.

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7).

Secular movies push secular ideas and thoughts and bad habits.
The next time you sit down and watch a movie I would like for you to get a notebook out and write down everything you can think of that is sinful within it. Then compare it with the Word of God. Pray and ask God, should I be filling my mind with this sinful enterntainment? You may not notice it's effects on you now, but it indoubtly does have an influence of some kind on you (whether you want to admit that or not).

In terms of magic like Doctor Strange I didn't like the astral projection since that is something that people actually believe in. However overall magic was just fantasy so I don't take it seriously or let it affect me.

A person can watch porn and just write it off as fantasy and they can say that it doesn't effect them; But we both know that wouldn't be true. Evil behavior and evil things are no longer evil just because we say they are fantasy or that they are taking place in some kind of fictional setting. If you watch something that involves something that is evil in our world whether it be a true story or a fictional one, it is going to effect you.

Though I am curious on your views of the lion, the witch and the wardrobe series of movies (books originally). Those were written by a christian to sort of give a message about the bible. Do you like that series? It to has fantasy stuff and things that could technically be seen as unbiblical magic, animals...etc.

It is wrong because it promotes magic. Sure, the author may try to promote Christian elements, but if they also promote evil like magic then it would be wrong. An evil practice or something sinful is no longer sinful just because there are Christian elements within it. That would be like starting a Christian cult where it's congregration teaches they are allowed to murder people as long as they do other Godly things. Doing good in one way behavior wise does not erase doing bad or evil elsewhere. Magic is sinful no matter the setting and no matter if they try to push Christian elements into it.

Now I will say one thing (and this isn't directed at you really, just general statement) I always found frustrating is MANY christians won't see movies like Lion,Witch, Wardrobe or LOTR...etc because they say its witchcraft, magic and evil. And yet those same christians celebrate Halloween. A holiday about the devil, witchcraft and evil. Their kids will dress up in outfits and get candy from people. Some even will do the haunted houses and watch "kids halloween" movies. Seems like they are they are preachy about the subject unless its something their kids want. In this case their kids are upset because they miss out on halloween so they give in. Some even create "harvest parties" instead. Which to me changes nothing. Having the event on the same day doesn't make it different, its still halloween with a new name.

Many Christians have a hard time in letting go of the things of this world (in one form or another). For some believers, letting go of this world is really a quick process and for other believers it takes many, many years of God talking to their heart about it. Anyways, Halloween is so obviously evil it is not even funny. If they and their children partake in Halloween and they do not repent of such evil, they will have to answer to God about it. For it is a day that has nothing to do with honoring Christ but only to glorify that which is evil and dark.

Anyways, what may help you is for you to replace your worldly entertainment watching with watching Christian educational videos or Christian movies. Me and my wife watch Pureflix and the Up Channel thru Amazon.


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[NothingIsImpossible]

Eh. I'll still play games and watch movies. Maybe it will cost me "treasures" in heaven but I'm not to worried. And like I always say those who tell others what they are doing wrong often ignore the fact they to do things wrong. None are perfect. Its why I don't usually criticize someone to much since we each have our own issues. Especially when it comes to being in the world. We own cars, homes, have money, use smartphones, have internet...etc. These are all worldly things that are not really needed in order to survive. I mean really the amish have the right idea when it comes to the world.

 

[Soyeong]

Is it a good thing to be able to handle an R-rated movie?

 

[Left]

Is it a good thing to be able to handle an R-rated movie?

I can handle R-rated movies - I just no longer watch them out of choice.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Is it a good thing to be able to handle an R-rated movie?

Sure its a good thing. I mean I know where you are going with this. But alot of people tend to say what they think is the only option. For example I seen the beheading videos when ISIS was releasing them. Some christians say "That's a sin to watch such evilness and gore!". Other christians said its good to watch them to see how evil people can be and to remind us others are persecuted around the world in very deadly ways.

My feeling has always been (as stated earlier) just because one person is offended by something (like an R rated movie) doesn't mean they should throw verses at the person who will do that something as if they are sinners and not saved. The Holy Spirit exists for a reason. Just because one is convicted of something doesn't mean they should tell everyone else they should be convicted to. I mean obviously we can all agree on somethings like taking Gods name in vain is bad no matter what. If you don't feel convicted about that then there is something wrong.

Again I am not saying watching a R rated movie is without problems. Obviously Jesus would not watch Deadpool. However in my case, I know mostly what affects me. And a movie like that doesn't so I watch it. With caution mind you. People can change. Which is why I generally avoid movies with excessive swearing because I don't want it tempting me into swearing like I used to.

And also admittedly, I do understand where people are coming from who are against R rated movies. I am the same way about halloween. I get annoyed that christians partake in it and I sometimes slip and say things in a offensive and sarcastic way. I throw verses at them and almost sound like I am questioning their salvation. So again, I get it. We are all guilty of being judgy sometimes. Which is why if I truly don't like a topic on here I try not to reply and just ignore it.

 

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[RDKirk]

I haven't seen Deadpool because even though he seems funny (and I like the humorous Marvel Cinematic Universe characters like Iron Man and Doctor Strange), I have an aversion to sexual things in movies. Most violence I can handle though.

I want to see Logan, but I haven't seen the other X-Men movies so I need to catch up.

I don't really understand the aversion to sex but the acceptance of violence, although my wife is that same way.

I personally never want my children to experience anyone one being slaughtered, although I do want them to experience sex.

There are good ways to have sex; there are no good ways to be slaughtered.

 

[RDKirk]

use their version of magic. One could argue they are one in the same. And I could agree magic is magic. But witchcraft is an actual thing in real life. As is satanic ritual stuff. Doctor Stranges magic is just fantasy magic. Which is why I watched Lord of the Rings and loved it. It was fantasy (well and the story was by a christian). Where as I refuse to see Harry Potter because its half based on witchcraft as the author stated. I mean obviously real witches don't have magic wands that let you shoot lightning or fly on brooms. But they do have some connection to satanic power. Ask former witches who are now christian.

The movie Doctor Strange SFed the magic as merely "technology sufficiently advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic" the way they SFed Asgard.

 

[RDKirk]

Is it a good thing to be able to handle an R-rated movie?

It's not a bad thing to avoid them.

As I told my daughter when she was growing up and was annoyed at not catching all the sexual innuendo of other kids, "There is no shame in ignorance of evil."

For a strong Christian, going to R-rated movies is kind of like Muhammad Ali's "rope-a-dope" tactic. He let his opponent wear himself out hammering Ali's stomach. Okay, if you can take it and still be effective afterward...but even better if you avoid the hammering.

I did watch Logan because it seemed like it had a story to tell (or at least one to end), but my life would not have suffered deprivation if I had not.