I can't be of too much help. My wife insists on attending the evangelical service. To her, the liturgy is a meaningless ritual. I like the evangelical service, also, but I would prefer to attend the traditional service once-a-month.@Andrewn would you like to share with us the liturgical experience at your church, and your personal preferences in terms of liturgical practices?
Yes. In the United States and Canada. Many of the international partners have free standing altars and face the congregation.They've done a sensitive and tasteful job in that space. What they've done works for the style it is, and has an internal consistency.
Is presiding ad orientum the norm in that jurisdiction?
Thank you for your beautiful contribution to this thread @bèlla ! I hope you will continue participating in this discussion!
But what ever you choose to do, I respect what you are doing immensely - J greatly admire your effort to teach people chanting and other aspects of the mystical experience of the Liturgy. This is admirable and parallels to a large extent what I am trying to do, and what I think John Wesley was trying to do, which is to make traditional theology accessible to poorly catechized laity.
So its thrilling to discover someone in a similar trajectory to me!
I thought I would share a picture of what can happen when some momentum really gets going.View attachment 301608
This is a photo from the first service at Resurrection Anglican Church/Iglesia Anglicana Resurreccion. As you might be able to guess, the parish ministers in both English and Spanish. This picture is from the inaugural service in this new location, which was held on Trinity Sunday.
It might not seem particularly remarkable at the moment, but let me share a picture of the building as it was when they received the keys.
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This building was acquired from the Church of God in Christ; I believe the largest of the black Pentecostal denominations. Through a lot of diligent lay effort and very little professional assistance they have changed the character of this worship space.
The parish is served by two priests, a deacon, and a deaconess and almost always seems to have someone going through formation for altar service. They regularly incorporate torch bearers and so on.
What you might find even more interesting is that the ministry began under the oversight of ACNA using Rite II from the 1979 American BCP. It is now a 1928 parish in a growing Continuing jurisdiction. The change has been steady and incremental and the reason something was being changed was always explained carefully to the faithful.
COGIC: Church of God in Christ. They are working still. They replaced the ceiling with something less noise dampening. An altar rail will be installed soon. They are hosting the General Convention in August so I'll be able to see the progress in person.That’s definitely looking better. If you could peel back more of the carpeting and get more iconography and paraments in there, that would be the next obvious step. Because right now you still have kind of a flat color scheme. Out of curiosity, who had that parish before you? I am guessing someone in the Baptist, or low church Methodist/Congregational/Presbyterian side of things, given the position of the choir and the use of one of those small, movable wooden communion tables that are common in the US, with “THIS DO YE IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME” carved in the side.
Out of interest. When a 'worship space' building changes hands, do some people change their allegance and stay with the space??COGIC: Church of God in Christ. They are working still. They replaced the ceiling with something less noise dampening. An altar rail will be installed soon. They are hosting the General Convention in August so I'll be able to see the progress in person.
Out of interest. When a 'worship space' building changes hands, do some people change their allegance and stay with the space??
Sometimes. I think it depends on how similar the cultures are. I know that in many of the South American towns as long as the service continues to look something like Mass the local don't much care which church is supplying the priest.Out of interest. When a 'worship space' building changes hands, do some people change their allegance and stay with the space??
Of course Lutherans can be as variable an Anglicans! I had a couple of years with a Lutheran congregation in Madang. I was comfortable, and welcomed, yet it was never quite home.I know that where I am, where we are in the process of renting a little-used church building to the Lutherans, there has been some talk about whether some of our people might prefer to worship with the Lutherans rather than drive ten minutes further up the road to the next Anglican church. I'll let you know how it goes.
Growing up in churches with little appreciation for liturgical rites, the beauty of it all often eluded me. Recently I have come to appreciate(through interaction with someone from the Greek Orthodox faith) thee manner in which liturgy serves as an aid in fostering a communal sense of worship. This has made me keenly aware of the difference between an evangelical service which often is nothing more than individual worship done in a single location rather than a more traditional service where the body worships as a unit. In a culture where individuality rules supreme the ability to become part of a larger whole often is woefully underappreciated.
I know that where I am, where we are in the process of renting a little-used church building to the Lutherans, there has been some talk about whether some of our people might prefer to worship with the Lutherans rather than drive ten minutes further up the road to the next Anglican church. I'll let you know how it goes.
Chanting is not difficult if you grow up doing it, as we did in the Lutheran Church.Thank you for the compliment and suggestions.
I’m not qualified to teach anyone to chant! I read music and had enough foreign language experience to follow along. I know the skill is desired by many. The learning curve can be difficult. But this is where technology can bridge the gap.
You can find the office online. There’s no reason why the chants can’t be included with an audio or video file. Or teach one passage per month. Over time you’ll have a collection of pieces everyone can access. Which allows greater participation in person.
There’s no reason why you can’t exploit Zoom too. It could be apropos for situations where meeting in person is difficult. The key is finding the intersection of tradition and modernity and applying both as appropriate.
With the growing increase of non affiliation in Europe, particularly in the UK and France where I’m heading, it will be necessary to shine our lights even more. Hopefully, my modest efforts will provide an avenue for their return.
~bella
Good Lutheran that I am, this is what I use for the daily office (it was a gift from my Pastor):When I started attending CofE services at the beginning of the 1980s, they were using the Book of Common Prayer (BCP) and had just introduced the Alternative Service Book (ASB) which was very well adopted and became the preferred format used for most services.
Twenty years later, around the year 2000, the CofE started using Common Worship. CW as well as the ASB use modern rather than traditional language forms. I wasn't sure at the time how I felt about the new changes, but I gradually began to appreciate how versatile CW was. It's more contemporary format blends in well with services with modern music styles. For people visiting churches (perhaps for the first time), the services are conducted in a language that they can relate to.
Over the years, I started visiting some of our Anglican monasteries for some peace and quiet, and a break away from the busyness of life. CW was used in their services of the Morning Prayer, the Eucharist and Compline, and it was the first time I had heard it set to music and sung in plainchant. It sounded beautiful.
I have both CW and the BCP at home. I love the BCP for its history, its eloquence and literary beauty, and for that reason I often like to dip into it. However, saying prayers in a form of English that is nearly 400 years old, many generations before I was born, doesn't always feel natural to me! So CW is my preferred format because it is written in the style of language I use every day.
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