Literature Evangelists

[Contented]

Today was celebrated at Literature Evangelist Day (Colporter) by the church's publishing division.

The pastor who preached mentioned that EG White stated that the work of the Literature Evangelist is equalled to that of a pastor. He also mentioned that the work in Europe in the 1800's started through the distribution of literature.

The work in Barbados also started when copies of magazines were left on a ship leaving Guyana, when the ship docked in Barbados the captain threw away all the magazines, someone found them and distributed them. That was over 100 years ago. Barbados is 166 square miles and there are 56 local churches. The oldest church is over 100 years. My local church is 72 years old.

He further went on to say many parents would encourage their children to be doctors, lawyers etc, BUT not literature evangelists. The thing about this statement is that a lawyer or doctor can sell books, BUT a literature evangelist do not have qualifications of those two professions.

One of the literature evangelist came to my work place, (I have known him for a couple of year) and he tried to sell me a health book. The cost was $40.00 US dollars. The book was written by one of the doctors at one of the SDA hospitals. What I would like to know is if these authors use the facilities of the church's publishing division to make profit.

He also touched on education stating that parents should be willing to allow their children to be educated at the church schools.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Contented: I left you a message dealing with the IJ. I hope you read it and comment on what I wrote. This might be a shocker but the text:


Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Mal 3:10


This text is so misconstrue it is a shame. The tithing was not for the ministers at all! The ministers do not stand up for YAHWEH'S Feast days which is not a part of the law of Moses. Yet the law of Moses they keep is about their greed for money, which is the Leviticus law dealing with the Levites who own no property for a reason. It was all in understanding the Redmption plan!

Paul who was wealthy at one time became a follower of Yashua worked as a tent maker. Where in the NT do you find any of the Apostles or disciples of Yashua accepting tithe? Paul clearly waited until after the Sabbath on the first day of the week to collect both the tithe and offerings. This money is to help the poor, widowers, elderly, children, church schools (these should be free for members and their children), paid teachers, lay evangelists who sale the correct books and for the building of our churches, but not for minister's salary. The wrong people are in office it should be someone who received a degree in business, administration, accounting. Ministers should have majored in a degree for a job outside and working free of charge in Elohim's service. You would not have the corruption as you do now if we followed Acts! Tithe should not even be collected on the Sabbath it take away from the Holiness of the day!

Well I hope that answer your question.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Contented: I left you a message dealing with the IJ. I hope you read it and comment on what I wrote. This might be a shocker but the text:


Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Mal 3:10


This text is so misconstrue it is a shame. The tithing was not for the ministers at all! The ministers do not stand up for YAHWEH'S Feast days which is not a part of the law of Moses. Yet the law of Moses they keep is about their greed for money, which is the Leviticus law dealing with the Levites who own no property for a reason. It was all in understanding the Redmption plan!

Paul who was wealthy at one time became a follower of Yashua worked as a tent maker. Where in the NT do you find any of the Apostles or disciples of Yashua accepting tithe? Paul clearly waited until after the Sabbath on the first day of the week to collect both the tithe and offerings. This money is to help the poor, widowers, elderly, children, church schools (these should be free for members and their children), paid teachers, lay evangelists who sale the correct books and for the building of our churches, but not for minister's salary. The wrong people are in office it should be someone who received a degree in business, administration, accounting. Ministers should have majored in a degree for a job outside and working free of charge in Elohim's service. You would not have the corruption as you do now if we followed Acts! Tithe should not even be collected on the Sabbath it take away from the Holiness of the day!

Well I hope that answer your question.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

Actually, if you read 1 Corithians 9 you will see Paul giving the examples of how he could recieve his living from the brethren but chose not to... it doesn't mean that his choice is the rule but rather the exception.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Actually, if you read 1 Corithians 9 you will see Paul giving the examples of how he could recieve his living from the brethren but chose not to... it doesn't mean that his choice is the rule but rather the exception.

ECR, I have read the whole Chapter and I find nothing in it about being paid. Paul speaks of a reward, but that is not getting paid a salary. In Act 3:1-6, Peter and John did not have any money. The story of Anias and his wife kept back some of the money given to the church and not Peter. Act 5:1-11 Acts 6:1 only speaks about the care of the widows and not the apostles. Acts 8:18, 20 this Simon even offered them money to gain their powers. Peter let him know that the gift of Elohim is not for the gain of money. Acts 9:29 here the widows show what Dorcas had done for them with her funds. Acts 11:29 relief of workers but not money is mention here. You can read all the acts of the Apostles and the disciples which were many but you will not find anywhere that they were paid. With all of the information how churches were added everywhere, selecting bishops, elders, deacons and so forth, you will not find anywhere that they were paid to do the work for the Most High. Peter and the others kept their jobs as fishermen, Paul was a tentmaker this is the examples we should follow. The ministers who are really call will take on this ministry as a service and not for pay. If this was done correctly many who are not chosen will be weeded out and the work of Elohim would have been finish by now!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

ECR, I have read the whole Chapter and I find nothing in it about being paid. Paul speaks of a reward, but that is not getting paid a salary. In Act 3:1-6, Peter and John did not have any money. The story of Anias and his wife kept back some of the money given to the church and not Peter. Act 5:1-11 Acts 6:1 only speaks about the care of the widows and not the apostles. Acts 8:18, 20 this Simon even offered them money to gain their powers. Peter let him know that the gift of Elohim is not for the gain of money. Acts 9:29 here the widows show what Dorcas had done for them with her funds. Acts 11:29 relief of workers but not money is mention here. You can read all the acts of the Apostles and the disciples which were many but you will not find anywhere that they were paid. With all of the information how churches were added everywhere, selecting bishops, elders, deacons and so forth, you will not find anywhere that they were paid to do the work for the Most High. Peter and the others kept their jobs as fishermen, Paul was a tentmaker this is the examples we should follow. The ministers who are really call will take on this ministry as a service and not for pay. If this was done correctly many who are not chosen will be weeded out and the work of Elohim would have been finish by now!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

You would have thought God would have given sister White counsel in regards to this in setting up of His remnant church... don't recall that coming up in her writings.

 

[stinsonmarri]

You would have thought God would have given sister White counsel in regards to this in setting up of His remnant church... don't recall that coming up in her writings.

ECR:​

Once again you expect everything to fall on one person. The Bible never at anytime had one messenger, prophet, disciple, apostle, minister, bishop, elder, and deacon.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith Elohim, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Act 2:16-18​

Yet, many attempt to place EGW as the only messenger this church had or will have. It is not so and this is where coveting begins. EGW was a messenger of Elohim so am I or anyone that have been giving the gift of the Holy Spirit. I made no boast of claim as she did also, but stand up for what the Bible says only. Have I made blunders, or thought wrong, yes I have but what has been reveal to me can and will be back up by Scriptures. The Bible is not any ones private interpretation at all. Holy man spoke as they were move by the Holy Spirit as it is today through specific gifts. My gift is to edify or build up the church with the understanding of truth. How does anyone come with the gift of the Spirit, by prayer, confessing their sins, true conviction and conversion! You must obey all of Elohim's Law and Commandments, studying the prophecies to prepare for these last days. Realize the condition of the church and aid the faithful by the Spirit that those who want to obey will be anointed with eye salve. Sigh and cry out loud for the abomination of the church, but not sit around like the Sheppard Rod for some event to happen that's not Biblical. Realize that work will be completed after the Time of Trouble. Stop acting like the Jewish church thinking that only SDA are the remnant but they are people from all religion, nation and tongue. Pray to be one of the 144,000 in finishing the work during the Time of Trouble so that the multitude will be saved through the power of the Latter Rain (Holy Spirit).​

Finally, I want to say humbly that many things you have said have helped me. It has made search the Scriptures for answers. You also have told me when I have made a mistake and I am grateful. I believe that you are a very sincere person and if you would allow the Holy Spirit to speak to your heart with understanding He will. Put aside who I am and listen to what is been said. Pray about it, go back and read it with an open mind, not what you have been taught. Check out what you've been taught with Scriptures, historical facts. Listen to EGW herself as what her role in the church was and respect it. Realize that others will come forth to stand for the Message of Truth for these last days. Accept with humbleness that our church has problems with sin and need a reformation. Accept that all will not be saved in our church and moved to get yourself ready by putting on the whole army of Yashua. There is a real battle ahead and you cannot depend upon the church only the Holy Spirit. Finally realize as it has been proven over and over in the Bible that only a few will finish the work and be rewarded!​

May Elohim and His grace be with you and please pray always for me,
stinsonmarri

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

However you want to frame it, if the most well known messenger of God for our time did not have counsel about 'ministers should not be paid' for 65+ years, when she was instramental in setting up of the church, that seems odd to me.

 

[stinsonmarri]

However you want to frame it, if the most well known messenger of God for our time did not have counsel about 'ministers should not be paid' for 65+ years, when she was instramental in setting up of the church, that seems odd to me.

ECR that is why it is odd because you do not give credit to all of the messengers of the church such as William Miller, Hiram Edson, John Norton Loughborough, Joseph Bates, Rachael Oakes, James White, John Andrews, Mary Britton, O. R. L. Crosier, Jones and Waggoner, William E. Foy, William J. Hardy, Charles M. Kinny, Anna Knight (whom I had the pleasure to meet while attending Oakwood), Maui Pomare, Lewis C. Sheafe and many more. Some mention here are the black pioneers who do not even receive recognition as to the work they did for the SDA church.

There are so many who I cannot express thanks and joy for the message they deliver for justice and truth. My frame is built on the Bible and again she was not the only one who brought truth to this church. Jones and Waggoner received the 1888 message and not EGW. She said in TM that it is of Elohim choosing to deliver His message. All through the Bible their were champions of faith to deliver the Message of Truth. Elohim do not change, sad to say people do against His Divine Leadership. You want consistency than follow the Bible it is our creed of faith any way its mine.

This is my frame and this is what I will stand for and if it is not in that Bible count me out!


Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[JohnMarsten]

You would have thought God would have given sister White counsel in regards to this in setting up of His remnant church... don't recall that coming up in her writings.

thats circular reasoning and you know it!!!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

thats circular reasoning and you know it!!!

No, it's not circular. I am not saying that there has not been others through whom God has used to proclaim His message, and if you have counsel from any of these other sources, please post it up.

What I am saying, is that while I recognize that EGW was not the expositor of all truth for our time, the fact that she was a major influence on the structure of the church through her counsels, you would think God would have warned her about this misappropraiting tithes for paying ministers.

Personally, I don't believe this is the case... in my reading of scripture, I see the provision given for those that preach the gospel to live by it. I mean seriously, would anyone expect someone to work 60 + hours a week along with family duties, to be effective in preaching the gospel? Paul was a single man that was able to live from the kindness of others while occasionaly working as a tent maker when needed. I personally think our denominations structure of paying ministers the same irregardless of the size of their congregation is providential as it removes the temptation of pride and greed.