Literal Flood believers, some questions

[lasthero]

You may be confusing local floods with a worldwide flood. No one can reproduce the exact conditions of that.

What would be the difference in stratification?

 

[AceHero]

Nice, AV is an open homophobe too.

Yes, Christianity is the "religion of love".

Oh, come on, now!

I said "the gay people" ... not "gay people."

What's the difference?

You are just like your religion, don't believe? you're going to die then, it might work on fools but not on people who know better.

If you so called Christians here are anything to go by I want no part of Christianity.

I would not judge all Christians by AV and E.D.. That would hardly be fair.

Thanks. I appreciate it.

It also reveals that the False Theory of Evolution is a Satanic Lie of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth in favor of some of their incomplete, untrue, idiotic, scientific False assumptions, such as the False ToE.

You've used the above terminology multiple times, so could you explain why belief in evolution is satanic? I'm not calling you satanic by not believing in it, so why are my views regarding science so evil?

We've got a live one here!

It'll be properly taken care of.

I have faith in administration here.

And yet you're the one who made the crude joke...

Teaching the "beliefs" of some Godless men, who have rejected God's Truth, is giving our children a Negative message that they are nothing but animals, with no hope except in education which will allow you to make more money than your neighbor. Better get all you can because you only go around once the lying Evols falsely teach.

1.) Not all scientists are atheists.

2.) If we're not animals, what are we?

While destroying the faith of our children, these people proclaim a False message which has NO evidence to support it's totally False Assumptions, and it's against the Constitution to teach unsupported Beliefs to children in the Public Schools of America.

Just for fun, where in the Constitution does it say this?

It was St. Augustine, the original saying is "with love for mankind and hatred of sins".

That was completely uncalled for.



Last I checked, AV doesn't accept St. Augustine as a Christian.

Oh. My. Goodness.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

It also reveals that the False Theory of Evolution is a Satanic Lie of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth in favor of some of their incomplete, untrue, idiotic, scientific False assumptions, such as the False ToE.
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You've used the above terminology multiple times, so could you explain why belief in evolution is satanic? I'm not calling you satanic by not believing in it, so why are my views regarding science so evil?

Dear AceHero, Because your false beliefs are being forced upon innocent children in the Public Schools of the U.S. This forced teaching is totally opposite of what some of these children are being taught about Jesus. Jesus tells us He made man with His own Hands, and Science tells the Lie that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.

Teaching these innocent little children an incomplete false view, which is opposite of God's Truth, is dangerous. Here is what Jesus tells us:

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

In Love,
Aman

 

[freezerman2000]

Originally Posted by Aman777

It also reveals that the False Theory of Evolution is a Satanic Lie of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth in favor of some of their incomplete, untrue, idiotic, scientific False assumptions, such as the False ToE.
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Dear AceHero, Because your false beliefs are being forced upon innocent children in the Public Schools of the U.S. This forced teaching is totally opposite of what some of these children are being taught about Jesus. Jesus tells us He made man with His own Hands, and Science tells the Lie that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.

Teaching these innocent little children an incomplete false view, which is opposite of God's Truth, is dangerous. Here is what Jesus tells us:

Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

Could someone also answer me this about the flood, does the flood story even sound like something a God would do?

2 Corinthians 5:11a Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord,

Yes.

or even feel the need to do?

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Yes.

do believers think that little of their God?

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No.

It's obviously a man made story.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

No.

 

[juvenissun]

Mountain chains so evidence of erosion via wind, water, and ice. Please describe how the Appalachian mountains (we can just stick with the one example for simplicity) show evidence of erosion via "flood waters" and how you distinguish erosion via flooding from erosion via wind, water, and/or ice. (here's a hint, I know how but want to see how you try and explain it)

Frequent flood takes place in mountain area looks like a high water, fast flowing river. That is how is a mountain eroded by a recursive flood.

 

[Split Rock]

Wind, water and ice are from the flood waters.

As are volcanism, earthquakes, and meteor/asteroid impacts. Just about anything you like to tag on.

You may be confusing local floods with a worldwide flood. No one can reproduce the exact conditions of that.

Ah yes.... the old flood geology standby, "no one can reproduce The Flood, therefore The Flood could do anything." (see above)

 

[Split Rock]

Who got to know the terror of the lord? the eight people who were left?

'And it repented the lord that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart.'
So God admits that he made a mistake.

And yes Christians do think their God is a vindictive God, God messed up and made everyone suffer.

The Bible is obviously man made.

The problem is the OT god and the NT god are different... yet they are supposed to be the same. Its one of the big problems I have with Chirstianity. Note how often creationists here tend to lean heavier on the OT than on the NT. It says a lot about them.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem is the OT god and the NT god are different... yet they are supposed to be the same. Its one of the big problems I have with Chirstianity. Note how often creationists here tend to lean heavier on the OT than on the NT. It says a lot about them.

Actually you're way off here.

You're forgetting the OT covers a 4000-year period, and we see God working under a variety of conditions: from peace to war, obedience to rebellion, civil to militant.

By contrast, the NT covers a period of 100 years.

If you think God in the OT was "meaner" than in the NT, I invite you to read the book of Revelation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who got to know the terror of the lord?

Everyone.

the eight people who were left?

They too.

'And it repented the lord that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart.'
So God admits that he made a mistake.

No.

It repented the LORD, not the other way around.

And yes Christians do think their God is a vindictive God,

Not the ones I know.

God messed up and made everyone suffer.

Not.

The Bible is obviously man made.

No -- your profile is man-made; the Bible isn't.

At least, not the way you think It is.

 

[CabVet]

It repented the LORD, not the other way around.

Oh the irony of ironies, a supreme being that knows everything, can do anything and sees everything (including the future) "repented". And for the record, I like this one better:

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. (NIV)

Now, please, go ahead and say that the KJV is the "correct" Bible so we can restart the discussion about what was created first in Genesis 2.

 

[AV1611VET]

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. (NIV)

I believe the NIV will be the Antichrist's version of choice during the Tribulation.

 

[CabVet]

I believe the NIV will be the Antichrist's version of choice during the Tribulation.

Is that why you used it to make your point here?

 

[Split Rock]

Actually you're way off here.

You're forgetting the OT covers a 4000-year period, and we see God working under a variety of conditions: from peace to war, obedience to rebellion, civil to militant.

By contrast, the NT covers a period of 100 years.

The time period is irrelevant. The NT describes a very different god... yet God does not change (so we are told). Rather than kill witches, kill enemies, and enslave and rape the unmarried women of the enemy, the NT God wants his followers to love the enemy and turn the other cheek. The NT God is so repugnant to some creationists, that at least one here told us that "the days of turning the other cheek are over."

If you think God in the OT was "meaner" than in the NT, I invite you to read the book of Revelation.

The Book of Rev is a crazy number... but very poetic. Is it a dream? Is it a prophesy? Is it a warning? Is is a prediction? Who knows. You are right, though, that it is very OTish. Doesn't change the fact that the other books are not... in particular the Gospels.

 

[Split Rock]

I believe the NIV will be the Antichrist's version of choice during the Tribulation.

I thought that Darwin's "On the Original of Species" was going to be the AntiChrist's version of choice.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Book of Rev is a crazy number... but very poetic. Is it a dream? Is it a prophesy? Is it a warning? Is is a prediction? Who knows. You are right, though, that it is very OTish. Doesn't change the fact that the other books are not... in particular the Gospels.

Well, if you don't prefer the book of Revelation, there's always the point Josh McDowell (?) made:

Jesus spoke more on Hell than any OT writer, and it is not a pretty picture.

Yes, in the NT, God is seen as focusing more on mercy & grace than the OT; but when one gets justice ... well ... then we see something else altogether.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is that why you used it to make your point here?

I consider that point to have been successful.

It shut you up harping about two different creation accounts and shifted the focus to something else.

 

[EternalDragon]

The time period is irrelevant. The NT describes a very different god... yet God does not change (so we are told). Rather than kill witches, kill enemies, and enslave and rape the unmarried women of the enemy, the NT God wants his followers to love the enemy and turn the other cheek. The NT God is so repugnant to some creationists, that at least one here told us that "the days of turning the other cheek are over."

Enslave and rape? I don't read that. God is strongly against both of those things. You could be confusing what some people decided to do on their own with what God told them to do.

I think you are missing the parts where God gives all those witches and enemies ample chance to repent of their idols and turn to the true God of the Hebrews. In many instances he even goes to lengths to prove he is a true God. Yet they still did not repent.

There is still the death penalties for things in the NT. There was still the death penalty for witchcraft as well as bestiality, adultery, kidnapping and slavery, incest, breaking the sabbath, to name a few.

 

[CabVet]

Enslave and rape? I don't read that. God is strongly against both of those things. You could be confusing what some people decided to do on their own with what God told them to do.

Really? So who wrote that then:

Judges 21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.13 And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.14 And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.

And how about this:

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

I think you are missing the parts where God gives all those witches and enemies ample chance to repent of their idols and turn to the true God of the Hebrews. In many instances he even goes to lengths to prove he is a true God. Yet they still did not repent.

Were the children in the verses above given a chance to repent too? How do you give a child the chance to repent? I posted my verses, now you should post yours.

There is still the death penalties for things in the NT. There was still the death penalty for witchcraft as well as bestiality, adultery, kidnapping and slavery, incest, breaking the sabbath, to name a few.

Don't forget gayness. But I would like you to paste the verse where slavery is condemned in the Bible.

 

[EternalDragon]

Really? So who wrote that then:

Judges 21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.13 And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.14 And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.

And how about this:

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

None of those were commands by God. They were things decided on my men. Do you read about crime in the newspaper and then attribute that to God?

Were the children in the verses above given a chance to repent too? How do you give a child the chance to repent? I posted my verses, now you should post yours.

Are you proposing that all the stories in the bible are the result of what God commanded? Did the fact that David slept with another man's wife mean that God commanded that to be done?

Don't forget gayness. But I would like you to paste the verse where slavery is condemned in the Bible.

Happiness? What about it?

Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.