Limited atonement !

[Clare73]

You render the term foreknowledge obsolete.

It is the Greek dictionary that renders prognosis "obsolete" when used of God.

 

[All Becomes New]

It is the Greek dictionary that renders prognosis "obsolete" when used of God.

Where in the Bible would you go to say God decreed "Whatsoever comes to pass"?

 

[zoidar]

No truth can be proved to you, I dont believe its Gods will for you to believe the Truth since you resist and debate it all the time.

God saved me, then He doesn't want me to believe the truth. Sounds just right... I on the other hand believe God wants you to believe the truth, but you resist it. The fault is not on God, it's on you.

 

[Clare73]

Where in the Bible would you go to say God decreed "Whatsoever comes to pass"?

Ro 4:15, 18 - has mercy on whom he pleases, hardens whom he pleases
Eph 1:11 - works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will
Heb 6:17 - unchanging nature of his purpose

 

[Rescued One]

It's all on me because you don't know the answer to my question? I can answer it for you. Being by nature a child of wrath means being a person under wrath. If you don't agree it's your job to tell me what it means. Telling me it's impossible won't do. If you need to study it further, just say so.

By NATURE we are children of wrath; all have sinned. Mercifully God saved us and made us Christians.

 

[All Becomes New]

Ro 4:15, 18 - has mercy on whom he pleases, hardens whom he pleases
Eph 1:11 - works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will
Heb 6:17 - unchanging nature of his purpose

Rom: He does not have mercy or harden every person. That is not stated in the text.
Eph: That's just God's sovereignty, which Catholics would affirm and they believe in LFW (I don't).
Heb: Purpose is a tricky word. It does not mean "decree." It can mean things besides "decree."

 

[Rescued One]

God saved me, then He doesn't want me to believe the truth. Sounds just right... I on the other hand believe God wants you to believe the truth, but you resist it. The fault is not on God, it's on you.

Arminians and Calvinists haven't agreed for centuries; it's not likely to happen in this thread.

 

[zoidar]

By NATURE we are children of wrath; all have sinned. Mercifully God saved us and made us Christians.

I agree!

After being saved we are no longer "by nature" children of wrath. We have a new nature, which means we are no longer under wrath. Maybe you agree?

 

[zoidar]

Arminians and Calvinists haven't agreed for centuries; it's not likely to happen in this thread.

True, though I don't consider myself Arminian.

 

[Brightfame52]

God saved me, then He doesn't want me to believe the truth. Sounds just right... I on the other hand believe God wants you to believe the truth, but you resist it. The fault is not on God, it's on you.

I dont judge folks salvation, however I know presently you have been very resistant towards the Truth of the Gospel, but thats everyone until God opens up their understanding

 

[zoidar]

I dont judge folks salvation, however I know presently you have been very resistant towards the Truth of the Gospel, but thats everyone until God opens up their understanding

If you have been sharing the gospel we sure got a different understanding what the gospel is.

I feel a bit sad hearing Calvinists share their understanding of the Bible. But that is just how things are at the moment. Calvinists are still a minor Christian branch.

 

[Brightfame52]

If you have been sharing the gospel we sure got a different understanding what the gospel is.

Yes, the Gospel I witness of is founded in the Truths of TULIP

 

[All Becomes New]

Yes, the Gospel I witness of is founded in the Truths of TULIP

TULIP is a systematized soteriology, not the Gospel. I'm afraid you are the one who does not know the Gospel here. I am not a Calvinist or an Arminion, BTW, so I have no fight in this, but if you think TULIP IS the Gospel, you have put your trust in the traditions of men.

 

[zoidar]

Yes, the Gospel I witness of is founded in the Truths of TULIP

Why focus so much on a 17th century doctrine instead of focusing on the teachings of the Early Church?

 

[zoidar]

I dont judge folks salvation, however I know presently you have been very resistant towards the Truth of the Gospel, but thats everyone until God opens up their understanding

Neither do I judge people's salvation. It's not my job. Salvation has very little to do with theology, but a lot to do with heart.

 

[Rescued One]

I agree!

After being saved we are no longer "by nature" children of wrath. We have a new nature, which means we are no longer under wrath. Maybe you agree?

I disagree with Aminius!

 

[Rescued One]

Neither do I judge people's salvation. It's not my Job. Salvation has very little to do with theology, but a lot to do with heart.

Salvation is a gift of God before we do x, y, or z. He converts us while we are DEAD in sins.

 

[Rescued One]

Why focus so much on a 17th century doctrine instead of focusing on the teachings of the Early Church?

What you call 17th century doctrine is biblical doctrine. The Bible is the word of God; do you believe the Trinity? It is biblical, but the Nicene Creed was formulated from later discussions of the Bible.

 

[Rescued One]

True, though I don't consider myself Arminian.

Non-Calvinists tend to dislike Calvinism or others who say God decides whom He will convert.

 

[zoidar]

Salvation is a gift of God before we do x, y, or z. He converts us while we are DEAD in sins.

I think dead in sins means you will die in your sins if you don't repent. I don't think it has anything to do with our power or limitation to repent.

Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
— John 8:24