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Limited Atonement
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Buttermilk said:
I do not believe so. In fact, the Bible even tells us that those who do not believe do not believe because they are not part of God.
John 10:26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
On the flip side, those who do believe believe because they are God's sheep.
John 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
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Buttermilk said:
So basically you ignore verses that say other wise?
Which is why I asked where you get your idea of God from, only from the verses you like, or from the whole of the bible?
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I am neither Calvinist or Arminian. I get my idea of God from the whole bible.tigersnare said:
Calvinists and Arminians on the other hand both pick out the verses they like (that fit their doctrine) and ignore the verses that say otherwise IMHO.
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On no single verses, but the Bible as a whole, after weighing up the verses that both the Calvinists and the Arminians quote to fight their corner, and which I believe they take out of contexttigersnare said:
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Could you be more specific in regard to which particular verses. Maybe you could note the particular verses and put them into their proper context.Buttermilk said:
You have stated that you take your position from the Bible "as a whole" but you have not shown from scripture how you arrive at your conclusions. Surely you must have some sort of criteria with which to qualify your position
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Buttermilk said:
Perhaps you would like to give us an example(verse) and map out the context as to give us a fuller understanding?
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Bulldog said:
I second the motion.
Bulltwinky, check it out man, they have an icon for Calvanist now!!
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:topic: The OP posted a question about limited atonement and I posted a similar and then subsequent questions on the topic. This thread has turned into a lets pick on BM thread and why she believes what she does. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the questions of the OP, and is unhelpful to the topic.
I am not the Mod on this forum, but am giving my Mod Hat a gentle tap just to put this thread back on topic.
Thank you.
I am not the Mod on this forum, but am giving my Mod Hat a gentle tap just to put this thread back on topic.
Thank you.
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Rubbish...............Please show where you are being picked on!! Pushed into a corner for the purpose of qualifying your position maybe,but picked on? I dont think so!!! You have made claims but have not as yet qualified your position!!! You havent actually shown yet why you believe what you do so how can anyone be picking on you?Buttermilk said:
Actually its the opposite.YOU have infact attacked the calvinist position by your own words but have not shown how you come to believe what you do.
No one here wants to attack any one,but when someone makes comments which refutes the beliefs of another then surely that person is obliged to show why they believe the position they are refuting is in error?
the thread has not went off topic IMO.
The OP originally posted : "LIMITED ATONEMENT.............................................I know that this is the belief that Jesus only died for the elect, but that is about all I know. I find it hard to believe this but I am still looking into it. Could anyone please explain this to me and give me scriptural backup."
As far as i can see every post has been within the context of the OP's and subsequent questions from other posters.
If you truly believe our position is in error then dont you feel as you have entered the discourse that you have an obligation to show us how and why you believe limited atonement is wrong?
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