Does anyone have an idea of what the likelihood is of any of this being true? I consider myself a seeker, and until I have some numbers I guess I'll never know if it's real or not. I'd like it to be, but if it isn't logical then I may as well be an Atheist - though it would be convenient I don't necessarily need religion, I don't think.
One one hand, the book of Genesis seems to be really accurate with regards to cosmology. On the other, it seems a bit implausible to me that only one tribe of people (Israelites) would be willing to listen to God, and that these two people were deceived by a snake, and so on and so forth. In other words, some of it seems amazingly accurate but other parts seem, well, I wouldn't say impossible but you do have to ask yourself why the story is the way it is, don't you?
it seems a bit implausible to me that only one tribe of people (Israelites) would be willing to listen to God, and that these two people were deceived by a snake, and so on and so forth.
Before the foundation of the world God had had a plan already that there should be humans in the world that glorify Him.
Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name:
for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him
Then they were all spiritual beings created , they were all in zero state ( have no knowledge ,have no abilities ),they were called His people/the chosen, may be we surely wonder why not God use His faithful angels and granted them with the eternal bodies and put them in the eternal land ( simpler ), cause in that time God already had angels in full state ( with full knowledge and full abilities ) as well ?, then the answer ;
the out come of this scenario will not match to His plan
Allegories options;
1 God created His people (recorded in the book of life before the creation of the world) at once, there was no forbidden tree, there was no devil , in this option : His people surely will live forever , millions years later they are asked : How can you all live peacefully in a glory without decease without pain ? surely they answer “ Surely , We were created like resemble to God” , does their answer brings glory to God? (full state similar to: if God took His faithful angels with glorious body and placed in NHNE) .
2 God created His people at once, There was the forbidden tree where the fruit not allowed to be eaten, there was no devil ( His people already in full state/ there was nothing to do with the devil), millions years later God came to them and judged , all the rebels died in that time, now the rest only the obedient ones , then they are asked : How can you live in a glory not like them who were thrown to the lof ? (similar to: when God created His angels with the eternal bodies /they were all full state) surely they answer “ surely, we are all more obedient than them”, does their answer bring glory to God?.
3 God creates as written in the bible (zero state), then the winners (Rev3:5) / the saveds are asked in NHNE : How can you live in a glory with God , not like the devils and the losers who are thrown to the lof , surely they answer” actually there is nothing more within us than they are ,if they are thrown to the lof , we shall be thrown too ( Isa64:6, Isa26:12, rev19:8 ), but if now we live in this eternal land peacefully that all comes from His Glory only”, does their answer bring glory to God?.
Then how can His people bring glory to God , if all of them were zero state ?.
They should grow first before they could bring glory ---> hence they needed a realm that could give them the possibility in growing, cause in the realm where they were that time(eternal realm) was impossible for growth ( eternal realm always steady) ------>
perishable realm was necessity for them .
Rom8:20
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Eden story;
The fallen story that Adam and Eve were deceived by the serpent (devil) actually told about how this perishable realm was formatted .
The fruit of the tree of knowledge about good and evil (fotkge) = the format of this perishable realm = if they ate fotkge immediately they moved from eternal realm to the perishable realm.
(Insert question to contemplate : why not
all the chosen were created physically at once ?).
The fruit of the tree of life (fotl) = the way back from the perishable realm to the eternal realm in peace (John14:6) = if they ate fotl before they fell there was no bad impact for them so they were allowed to eat.
John14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me
If they ate fotl intentionally after they ate fotkge they surely moved from the perishable realm to the eternal realm in their previous condition (spiritually dead) + their bodies changed to be the eternal bodies then with this state their destination surely only to the lof = they tried to earn their salvation by work = they tried to fulfill to torah laws = they work on sabbath day ( sabbath day = the day of rest = there shall no perishable creature that able to do any thing that worthy in the eyes of God Isa64:6 ) ( this was the reason why A and E were driven out from Eden /A and E and their offspring surely ate fotl intentionally without exception).
Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and
all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Hence the spiritual being that live in the perishable realm will never be able to move to the eternal realm in peace through their own effort , except it is bestowed by God Him self ---->
salvation is only by God’s Grace
So by this premise;
salvation is only by God’s Grace there should be the Chosen , the savior , the redeemer .
How can God introduce that there should be the chosen?; God chose Israelites that only from the wombs of this people God put His people (spiritual beings that had already created spiritually before the foundation of the world that all of them were zero state in the first place Jer1:5 , Zec12:1) to be born = the chosen physically (this stipulation for introduction only then for the common/after Jer31:29-33 distributed to spiritually Israelites /the wombs of all women in the world ).
Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth,
and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Jer1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly
I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jer31:29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that
I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer31:32
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people
How can God introduce that there should be the savior and the redeemer for His people/the chosen;
God gave this scriptures;
Isa43:3 For
I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
Isa43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior
Isa47:4
As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel
Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not:
thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting
I wouldn't say impossible but you do have to ask yourself why the story is the way it is, don't you?
I hope your hesitation has been solved .
