Light years is a time measure

[dad]

How is observing a distant star any different than observing an object across the room?

The star is not in your room!

 

[dad]

light is c, and c is a constant.

Repeat that all you like. No. It may be fairly constant on and near earth. Even in the fishbowl, though, did not they find they could slow it down?

Voyagers messages travel at the speed of light because they are light. We know how far away it is and how long it takes light to travel there to here. It got here in the right amount of time. Not too early not too late.

Oh? Source? Prove it. Show that the messages got here down to the mili second expected.

So there can be no dilation.

Even if what you said was true, we might cross examine your logic, and facts. But prove what you claimed first. Save us all time

 

[Loudmouth]

The star is not in your room!

Why does that matter?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Repeat that all you like. No. It may be fairly constant on and near earth. Even in the fishbowl, though, did not they find they could slow it down?

No. They couldn't. At least not in a vacuum. Are you trying to claim that space is not a vacuum? Worse yet is the fact that you don't need to slow it down, you need to speed it up. That has never been done.

Oh? Source? Prove it. Show that the messages got here down to the mili second expected.
Even if what you said was true, we might cross examine your logic, and facts. But prove what you claimed first. Save us all time

Nope, the evidence supports his claims. What is your evidence that he is wrong?

Without evidence you lose.

 

[Loudmouth]

Repeat that all you like. No. It may be fairly constant on and near earth. Even in the fishbowl, though, did not they find they could slow it down?

The speed of light in a vacuum does not change, and the space between us and distant stars is a vacuum. It is observed to be constant. You have zero observations showing that it isn't.

 

[dad]

Why does that matter?

Because a point of light far away can seem to be different than what it may be.

 

[dad]

Reasonable evidence is not 100% concrete.

Great. Especially in the minds of the unstable I guess. Now that we cleared that up....any actual point?

Yes, I agree, in all probability we are here and this is real. But we can't be 100% sure. Any more than I can say I cannot be 100% sure there is no God.

Speak for yourself. We of sound mind disagree.

 

[Loudmouth]

Because a point of light far away can seem to be different than what it may be.

Why? Why wouldn't this also apply to an hourglass across the room?

 

[dad]

The speed of light in a vacuum does not change, and the space between us and distant stars is a vacuum.

No! You assume the fishbowl vacuum extends to infinity and beyond. How would you know what space is like far far away? Can you see time? How would you know if it changed or ceased to exist as we know it?

It is observed to be constant. You have zero observations showing that it isn't.

False. In the fishbowl of earth we observe time passing a certain way. It is only assumed anywhere else far away. Get over it.

 

[dad]

Why? Why wouldn't this also apply to an hourglass across the room?

Try to get your mind out of the fishbowl, and your room, for heaven sake. Especially when you sit in your room spouting off grandiose claims about things way way way way way too high for you. Get real. Humble down.

 

[kevinmaynard]

Repeat that all you like. No. It may be fairly constant on and near earth. Even in the fishbowl, though, did not they find they could slow it down?


Oh? Source? Prove it. Show that the messages got here down to the mili second expected.
Even if what you said was true, we might cross examine your logic, and facts. But prove what you claimed first. Save us all time

NASA lied? I am afraid you will have to prove your conspiracy theory.

 

[freezerman2000]

light is c, and c is a constant. Voyagers messages travel at the speed of light because they are light. We know how far away it is and how long it takes light to travel there to here. It got here in the right amount of time. Not too early not too late.

So there can be no dilation.

Close,but no cigar..E=MC2-Energy=Mass Constant(Constant being the SPEED of light)2
The closer to the constant an object travels,the slower time passes for them.
Voyager is going nowhere close to the speed of light,yet,there is still a slight dialation.
Time dilation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If that was to technical,here's a simplified and short synapses.
Time Dilation - Albert Einstein and the Theory of Relativity - YouTube

 

[freezerman2000]

The speed of light is ALWAYS constant.
Distance has nothing to do with the dilation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Voyager is going nowhere close to the speed of light,yet,there is still a slight dialation.

In that video, isn't the observer on the asteroid also seeing the pulse returning at an angle?

 

[freezerman2000]

Yes..So?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes..So?

I was just wondering if they had a name for that effect/observation?

 

[dad]

NASA lied? I am afraid you will have to prove your conspiracy theory.

No, the issue is your cllaim that the messages indicate an exact distance, so that we can rule out any possible time difference effect. If you are right, fine. Let's see what you got. You talk the talk, now walk the walk.

 

[pgp_protector]

One of the basics is that an hourglass needs gravity to operate...Where is the gravity in deep space?It does not exist..
You failed on that one!

Well the hourglass itself would have some Gravity , so would any local observer. But if they're using an Hourglass as a standard, they just need to take it to the moon.

 

[pgp_protector]

You think this was photo shopped?

Yes it was digitally edited.

 

[dad]

The speed of light is ALWAYS constant.

Baloney. We do not know that. Try to phrase your thoughts properly. Something like 'On and near earth, as far as we know, light moves at a certain constant speed, unless interfered with..etc etc'

Distance has nothing to do with the dilation.

If you mean physical only present state fishbowl earth and area, and the bending of space and 'spacetime' by gravity and affected other ways, you might have a point. Even there, I would ask for proof. You see we can't rule out that perhaps there is a universal time difference starting at earth, that is only somewhat affected by any gravity or velocity here, and would exist anyhow even if there was a different set of rules!!!!!?? That coulld mean that a part of the difference of time we see could be due to something other than the spacetime we know. The margin of error is too big to declare otherwise in the tests.

I suspect that spacetime is not time itself. That is just space and time in our neck of the woods.