Light years is a time measure

[dad]

All of this is based on the unfounded assumption that there's a germany at all!!!

You think this was photo shopped?

 

[dad]

I'm quoting this post because of it's awesomeness.

I have a horrible feeling we are going to go down the "Relativity?... but it's only a theory" road.

No. We are not certain, but it could well be that earth fishbowl rules bend time and space as we know it here. One cannot apply that to the great unknown universe of course. Yet knowing time can be different is something we must consider.

 

[dad]

Nope, it passes there. We see it passing there.

No. You sure don't. Fess up you see all things on or near earth. Period.

This is the famous relativistic airplane experiment where the movement of planes through the curved space created by Earth's gravity produced a relativistic difference in time.

Close but no cigar.

"The published outcome of the experiment was consistent with special and general relativity. The observed time gains and losses were different from zero to a high degree of confidence, and were in agreement with relativistic predictions to within the ~10% precision of the experiment."

"In 2005, the National Physical Laboratory in the United Kingdom reported their limited replication of this experiment.[19] The NPL experiment differed from the original in that the caesium clocks were sent on a shorter trip (London–Washington D.C. return), but the clocks were more accurate. The reported results are within 4% of the predictions of relativity, within the uncertainty of the measurements."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

So with the results are close, but not enough to eliminate any other factors, or force fishbowl relativity alone to be the certain and only cause.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. You sure don't. Fess up you see all things on or near earth. Period.

Fess up. We are watching those events in space in the same way that we observe sand running through an hourglass on the other side of the room. The process is no different.

"The published outcome of the experiment was consistent with special and general relativity. The observed time gains and losses were different from zero to a high degree of confidence, and were in agreement with relativistic predictions to within the ~10% precision of the experiment."

"In 2005, the National Physical Laboratory in the United Kingdom reported their limited replication of this experiment.[19] The NPL experiment differed from the original in that the caesium clocks were sent on a shorter trip (London–Washington D.C. return), but the clocks were more accurate. The reported results are within 4% of the predictions of relativity, within the uncertainty of the measurements."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

So with the results are close, but not enough to eliminate any other factors, or force fishbowl relativity alone to be the certain and only cause.

Then it really doesn't matter what the evidence shows, does it? You are set on your fantasies, and no evidence will change your mind.

 

[kevinmaynard]

No. We are not certain, but it could well be that earth fishbowl rules bend time and space as we know it here. One cannot apply that to the great unknown universe of course. Yet knowing time can be different is something we must consider.

However voyager left the solar system, and we are still in communication. No time dilation detected that wasn't expected. That means relativity is correct, and no fish bowl exists.

 

[Old Ned]

You think this was photo shopped?

No, but there is no way to know for absolute, 100% certain that you are actually sitting there on a computer, you cannot prove 100% that anything is real.
You say "Well, here I am" ... but how do you know for certain that you are not in some form of dream state, or even a figment of someone else's imagination.

How do you know for sure that you and I and all of us are not small parts in a dream God himself is having? Meaning none of us exist at all.

 

[dad]

No, but there is no way to know for absolute, 100% certain that you are actually sitting there on a computer, you cannot prove 100% that anything is real.

There is such a thing as last week, and reasonable evidence.

You say "Well, here I am" ... but how do you know for certain that you are not in some form of dream state, or even a figment of someone else's imagination.

Yes. It is nice to know also. Come on over to the knowin side.

How do you know for sure that you and I and all of us are not small parts in a dream God himself is having? Meaning none of us exist at all.

How can you be sure you are not about to sneeze out another universe? Let's try to be rational.

 

[kevinmaynard]

No, but there is no way to know for absolute, 100% certain that you are actually sitting there on a computer, you cannot prove 100% that anything is real.
You say "Well, here I am" ... but how do you know for certain that you are not in some form of dream state, or even a figment of someone else's imagination.

How do you know for sure that you and I and all of us are not small parts in a dream God himself is having? Meaning none of us exist at all.

Even if we were someone else's dream or in a computer we are still real.

 

[dad]

However voyager left the solar system, and we are still in communication. No time dilation detected that wasn't expected. That means relativity is correct, and no fish bowl exists.

Show us how you would detect time dilation on the Voyager??? We did detect an anomaly, that time dilation could explain for years!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Like I have said before, CF needs a comedy section.

Between dad, Gottservant and Kevinmaynard, I think we finally made them snap.

Problem solved.

 

[dad]

Fess up. We are watching those events in space in the same way that we observe sand running through an hourglass on the other side of the room. The process is no different.

If you thought an hourglass was trillions of times bigger than our earth, and a certain distance away in space, I would have to question your observations also.

You would see the thing from earth. Really. How would you be able to tell if time existed even in deep space? Or that time existed exactly as we know it?

 

[kevinmaynard]

Show us how you would detect time dilation on the Voyager??? We did detect an anomaly, that time dilation could explain for years!

Well if time dilation was happening unexpectedly than signals from voyager would be getting here at a different time than expected.

 

[dad]

Well if time dilation was happening unexpectedly than signals from voyager would be getting here at a different time than expected.

Or...it might seem like it slowed a bit?

 

[kevinmaynard]

Or...it might seem like it slowed a bit?

Seeming like it slowed doesn't mean it did.

An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour.

 

[dad]

Seeming like it slowed doesn't mean it did.

So prove it didn't and we can rule that one out and proceed. Otherwise you just plumb don't know.

An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour.

What is seems like would not affect how much time on earth went by. There are clocks. Relax.

 

[JustMeSee]

Light speed is a measure of distance.
Nothing in Dadology shows otherwise.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you thought an hourglass was trillions of times bigger than our earth, and a certain distance away in space, I would have to question your observations also.

How is observing a distant star any different than observing an object across the room?

 

[kevinmaynard]

So prove it didn't and we can rule that one out and proceed. Otherwise you just plumb don't know.


What is seems like would not affect how much time on earth went by. There are clocks. Relax.

light is c, and c is a constant. Voyagers messages travel at the speed of light because they are light. We know how far away it is and how long it takes light to travel there to here. It got here in the right amount of time. Not too early not too late.

So there can be no dilation.

 

[Old Ned]

There is such a thing as last week, and reasonable evidence.

Reasonable evidence is not 100% concrete.

Yes, I agree, in all probability we are here and this is real. But we can't be 100% sure. Any more than I can say I cannot be 100% sure there is no God.

 

[dad]

Light speed is a measure of distance.

Yes, in the fishbowl it is a measure. We can equate the time used to distance. Not beyond the earth area though, obviously.