Lifestyle vs. Attraction

[TheFathersDaughter]

A gay person will tell you they're gay because they're attracted to the same sex. Yet we're guilty of having a "homosexual lifestyle". How is an attraction a lifestyle. A lifestyle is something like a ritual, an day to day performance. To say it's a lifestyle would be to assume all homosexuals have sex with someone every week, whether their spouse or not. Even if they're single, because after all, it's their "lifestyle".

This is such a misconception and lie it's not even funny. There is no lifestyle. It's a part of the anti-gay "agenda", the same one trying to claim that gays are trying to make children homosexual by showing them movies to try to get rid of the ridicule among children towards younger kids already showing signs of it. The same anti-gay "agenda" that created the homosexual agenda. The only lifestyle gay people have, is every day having to put up with someone's inane comments about how we're "abnormal".

 

[HaloHope]

A gay person will tell you they're gay because they're attracted to the same sex. Yet we're guilty of having a "homosexual lifestyle". How is an attraction a lifestyle. A lifestyle is something like a ritual, an day to day performance. To say it's a lifestyle would be to assume all homosexuals have sex with someone every week, whether their spouse or not. Even if they're single, because after all, it's their "lifestyle".

This is such a misconception and lie it's not even funny. There is no lifestyle. It's a part of the anti-gay "agenda", the same one trying to claim that gays are trying to make children homosexual by showing them movies to try to get rid of the ridicule among children towards younger kids already showing signs of it. The same anti-gay "agenda" that created the homosexual agenda. The only lifestyle gay people have, is every day having to put up with someone's inane comments about how we're "abnormal".

Exactly. I can't fathom how being attracted to people of the same-gender somehow encompasses a whole "lifestyle". If thats the case there are plenty of people out there living a "hetrosexual lifestyle" too, because y'know that would mean everyone was obsessed with their own sexuality to the extent it ruled their lives


There is no lifestyle linked to anyones sexuality whatsoever. People are diverse and the lifestyles of people of every sexuality out there are diverse.

 

[Phinehas2]

well thats a good question except that a heterosexual lifstyle isnt necessarily any better, ist a Christian lifestyle that is important to Christians though and that sexually means a faithful man/woman union or celibacy is God purpose for us.

 

[Ohioprof]

well thats a good question except that a heterosexual lifstyle isnt necessarily any better, ist a Christian lifestyle that is important to Christians though and that sexually means a faithful man/woman union or celibacy is God purpose for us.

For a gay person, neither of those options is in keeping with our nature or with God's purpose for us, unless a gay person feels called to be celibate. Few people are called to be celibate for their whole lives, with good reason. For a gay person, the way God made us is to be with a faithful, committed spouse of the same sex. That is the Christian way for a gay person to live.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

For a gay person, neither of those options is in keeping with our nature or with God's purpose for us,

Well they are the options given for God's purpose, see Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 7, Eph 5 etc. They are the purpose Christians seek to follow no matter whether they are 'heterosexual' or 'homosexual'

unless a gay person feels called to be celibate.

yes for the Kingdom and to follow Christ... again see Matt 19, 1 Corinthians 7.

For a gay person, the way God made us is to be with a faithful, committed spouse of the same sex. That is the Christian way for a gay person to live.

No that isnt the Christian way for a gay person to live, see 1 Cor 6:9-11, 1 Tim 1:10, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1. ... some who have same-sex attraction know this to be living evidence for you.

 

[HaloHope]

well thats a good question except that a heterosexual lifstyle isnt necessarily any better, ist a Christian lifestyle that is important to Christians though and that sexually means a faithful man/woman union or celibacy is God purpose for us.

I believe the Christian way for us to live is a monogamous relationship, the genders of the people involved are irrelevant.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,

I believe the Christian way for us to live is a monogamous relationship, the genders of the people involved are irrelevant.

Ok the in the face of Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 7, Eph 5, 1 Corinthians 7, 1 Cor 6:9-11, 1 Tim 1:10, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1 I would say you are deceived in what you think is the Christian.view. Is this your own view or is there any Biblical evidence of God’s view?

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Halohope,

Ok the in the face of Gen 2, Matt 19, Mark 7, Eph 5, 1 Corinthians 7, 1 Cor 6:9-11, 1 Tim 1:10, Romans 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1 I would say you are deceived in what you think is the Christian.view. Is this your own view or is there any Biblical evidence of God’s view?

As I have stated many times before: just because the marriages detailed in the Bible are hetrosexual dosent mean homosexual marriage is immoral. It just means the majority of people are hetrosexual and its written in regards to them.

The Bible does not condemn homosexuality either so this is how I reach the conclusion that a man and a man or a woman and a woman are just as capable of being together as a partnership in Gods eyes.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,

As I have stated many times before: just because the marriages detailed in the Bible are hetrosexual dosent mean homosexual marriage is immoral.

There is no mention of heterosexual or homosexual in the passages I gave, homosexual and heterosexual are the sexual desires, the passages I gave deal with man and woman in union and same-sex activities which are condemned.
On the one hand we have posters claiming Jesus never said anything about homosexuality then we have them saying he only talked about heterosexuality.
My dear Halohope the Bible says man and woman in union, that doesnt prevent a gay man and a lesbains woman being married.
There is nothing stopping a gay man and a lesbian woman marrying, but I am merely showing you what God's word is in the Bible.

Crucially the passages I cited refer to God creating woman for man for this purpose to be in union together. therefore heterosexual and homosexual is irrelevent.. all heterosexuals and homosexuals are still a man or a women.

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Halohope,
There is no mention of heterosexual or homosexual in the passages I gave, homosexual and heterosexual are the sexual desires, the passages I gave deal with man and woman in union and same-sex activities which are condemned.
On the one hand we have posters claiming Jesus never said anything about homosexuality then we have them saying he only talked about heterosexuality.
My dear Halohope the Bible says man and woman in union, that doesnt prevent a gay man and a lesbains woman being married.
There is nothing stopping a gay man and a lesbian woman marrying, but I am merely showing you what God's word is in the Bible.

Crucially the passages I cited refer to God creating woman for man for this purpose to be in union together. therefore heterosexual and homosexual is irrelevent.. all heterosexuals and homosexuals are still a man or a women.

I know this may be difficult to believe but in the vast majority of circumstances a gay man and gay women want to be married to a partner of the same gender rather than the opposite. I want to be (and will be) married to another woman, and fortunately there is very little that can be done to stop that happening, especially some badly translated verses from the Bible that dont actually condemn homosexuality.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,
Yes but whilst the thread is primarily about gay lifestyle and attraction, where as I have to point out, especially with the anti-gay remark, that some Christians who have same-sex attraction and who are therefore homosexual, have a Cheistian lifestyle rather than a gay one. In the same way Christians who are heterosexual should have a Christian lifetyle rather than a straight one.

NB can we keep to the topic, I believe the Bible verses condemn same-sex sex, we dont want to have another dabte about that.

 

[HaloHope]

Dear Halohope,
Yes but whilst the thread is primarily about gay lifestyle and attraction, where as I have to point out, especially with the anti-gay remark, that some Christians who have same-sex attraction and who are therefore homosexual, have a Cheistian lifestyle rather than a gay one. In the same way Christians who are heterosexual should have a Christian lifetyle rather than a straight one.

NB can we keep to the topic, I believe the Bible verses condemn same-sex sex, we dont want to have another dabte about that.

I would say what you call a "gay lifestyle" (which I believe does not exsist) is completely compatible with a Christian lifestyle.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Halohope,
Ok I would say it isnt.

Have you got any evidence to support your claim?

 

[Pogue]

There's no gay 'lifestyle', any more than there's a vegetarian lifestyle. Your sexual orientation, just like your dietary preferences, make up just one aspect of an individual's lifestyle. Everyone's lifestyle is different, whatever their sexual orientation, and whatever their diet.

 

[Phinehas2]

I dont necessarily disagree with you. There is however a Christian lifestyle, our lifestyles are dedicated to seeking to follow Jesus Christ in what He did and taught as in the NT. Other lifestyles may involve the individual choosing how they personally want to live their lives.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Halohope,
Yes but whilst the thread is primarily about gay lifestyle and attraction, where as I have to point out, especially with the anti-gay remark, that some Christians who have same-sex attraction and who are therefore homosexual, have a Cheistian lifestyle rather than a gay one. In the same way Christians who are heterosexual should have a Christian lifetyle rather than a straight one.

NB can we keep to the topic, I believe the Bible verses condemn same-sex sex, we dont want to have another dabte about that.

A Christian life (notice it's a life, not a lifestyle) is not the opposite of a gay life (again, notice it's a life, not a lifestyle). There is no contradiction between the two. People do not stop being gay just because they are Christian, and people do not stop being Christian just because they are gay. There are gay Christians....many gay Christians.

The chaplain at Harvard is a gay Christian.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Ohioprof,

A Christian life (notice it's a life, not a lifestyle) is not the opposite of a gay life (again, notice it's a life, not a lifestyle).

Ah as to life rather than lifestyle a Christian life is one which was dead in sin and destined to perish but now is alive in Christ, bought at a price, made righteous and destined to eternal life with God. (I wont give you the scriptural evidence as you don’t necessarily believe it)

People do not stop being gay just because they are Christian, and people do not stop being Christian just because they are gay. There are gay Christians....many gay Christians.

Ah yes, possible but that depends on the definitions again.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Halohope,
Ok I would say it isnt.

Have you got any evidence to support your claim?

Plenty of gay Christians live as followers of Jesus and as model Christians. That's good evidence.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear Ohioprof,

Ah as to life rather than lifestyle a Christian life is one which was dead in sin and destined to perish but now is alive in Christ, bought at a price, made righteous and destined to eternal life with God. (I wont give you the scriptural evidence as you don’t necessarily believe it)
Ah yes, possible but that depends on the definitions again.

Yes, but many Christians who believe most of what you believe, that the Bible is the word of God, that Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins and rose from the dead, etc, also believe that there is no incompatibility between a Christian life and a gay life. It isn't just unorthodox Christians like me who believe that. And many gay people are pretty orthodox Christians.

 

[naotmaa]

If there is a gay lifestyle than there would have to be a straight lifestyle. But how different does the average gay person live from the average straight person? I would say it varies from individual to individual regardless of their orientation. The only thing that would be different regardless is who they are in relationship with.
Besides that, being gay does not dictate how I live my life on a daily basis anymore than how being straight would dictate
another person life on a daily basis.

So then how could it be a "lifestyle"?