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https://arkencounter.com/blog/2012/...milestone-incredible-matching-gift-announced/

Here's what I love about this so much...millions of dollars spent on this while people die of starvation in the very state this is built. Sad that people would call this project "Christian."

And for only $1500 you can get a family boarding pass!

https://arkencounter.com/store/quic...BP_pp=bp-family-3year-full&gift_99-1-F3YBP=on

Absolutely sickens me. Hey, maybe they could turn it into a homeless shelter!
Lay up for yourself treasures in heaven where moth and rust can't destroy and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 
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https://arkencounter.com/blog/2012/...milestone-incredible-matching-gift-announced/

Here's what I love about this so much...millions of dollars spent on this while people die of starvation in the very state this is built. Sad that people would call this project "Christian."

And for only $1500 you can get a family boarding pass!

https://arkencounter.com/store/quic...BP_pp=bp-family-3year-full&gift_99-1-F3YBP=on

Absolutely sickens me. Hey, maybe they could turn it into a homeless shelter!
What is wrong about people donating money to the cause they want? Do you have a problem with the freedom to give where one wants to give?
 
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Lay up for yourself treasures in heaven where moth and rust can't destroy and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Noah's ark is a Biblical part of the BIble. I think with evolution and science trying to replace God, renewed interest in Biblical history is positive.

How is this not building treasure in heaven to show people that the ark dimensions and parameters were set perfectly by God Himself not Noah?
 
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/Here's what I love about this so much...millions of dollars spent on this while people die of starvation in the very state this is built. Sad that people would call this project "Christian."

I just checked the Kentucky food banks website, and didn't find any evidence
of starvation in Kentucky. Seems to me they would know.
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Noah's ark is a Biblical part of the BIble. I think with evolution and science trying to replace God, renewed interest in Biblical history is positive.

How is this not building treasure in heaven to show people that the ark dimensions and parameters were set perfectly by God Himself not Noah?

The purpose of science is for us to test out our beliefs, however cherished and sacred they may be. Many religious beliefs are not suitable for scientific testing, but some are. The idea of a Global Flood is one of them. Science has debunked that idea. So we should drop it and move onto something more productive. Maybe the story was intended to express a major flood only in a local area? It seems that what you are doing is using your religious beliefs as the sole criterion to judge the merits of scientific research and findings. That is illegitimate, as I just explained.
 
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Science is a codification mankind's effort to understand the world of the observable/detectable. God doesn't make mistakes. He said there was a flood, so there was a flood. It is for us to discover evidence of the truth if we want to, but it is not necessary. What is highly profitable, however, is to believe what he said. It is not possible for science to debunk God's Truths, but it is possible for science to be in error. In fact, since science is a construct of human thinking, it is not surprising that it is a continual improvement upon previous scientific ignorance and errors. There was a guy named Newton who showed that distance = speed x time spent traveling, then a guy named Einstein came along and proved that was mostly right, but not exactly right; then some quantum physicists came a long and proved that Einstein wasn't quite right, either. Practical science is valuable so we can prevent another flood with human effort in the material world. But if God really wants to cause a flood, there is nothing man can do about it, no matter how great ("futuristic") our science becomes. God is the original manufacturer with infinite understanding and understands his creation incomprehensibly more than any amount of finite understanding.
 
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What is wrong about people donating money to the cause they want? Do you have a problem with the freedom to give where one wants to give?

1 John 3:17
If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?

I think we will all be held to account every dollar we did not to help others in need with basic human provisions when we really could have....not this. I just as guilty as these, but I am convicted daily. This just seems like a rejoice of excess expenditure. I really hope I am just being pessimistic and that this will bring about a lot of good for those in need in some way.
 
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Thanks for backing me up. No evidence of starvation there either.
I speak with local homeless people quite often. They enjoy the
freedom of not having a regular job and the ability to move around
without obligations. One guy volunteered that he worked freelance
at a "pickup location", and I looked into it and it was not in operation.
He was drinking in the park.
 
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If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?

Cool, we can start with your computer. You could probably feed a family for a month with the money you sell it for. Do you have a car too?
 
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The purpose of science is for us to test out our beliefs, however cherished and sacred they may be. Many religious beliefs are not suitable for scientific testing, but some are. The idea of a Global Flood is one of them. Science has debunked that idea. So we should drop it and move onto something more productive. Maybe the story was intended to express a major flood only in a local area? It seems that what you are doing is using your religious beliefs as the sole criterion to judge the merits of scientific research and findings. That is illegitimate, as I just explained.

Your way off.

And you don't have to participate in this discussion if you don't believe it was real.

P.S. Science has not debunked the flood.
 
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Cool, we can start with your computer. You could probably feed a family for a month with the money you sell it for. Do you have a car too?

What about a house, boat and tv. People are so negative.
 
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Noah's ark is a Biblical part of the BIble. I think with evolution and science trying to replace God, renewed interest in Biblical history is positive.

How is this not building treasure in heaven to show people that the ark dimensions and parameters were set perfectly by God Himself not Noah?
I agree.

Christians shouldn't be so pessimistic about it. Optimism would say that this does provide job opportunities and a long term investment that may help the economy, and attract universal appeal. I'd welcome any project that is used for the glory of God, for in return God will provide for the needy. If Ken gets greedy without giving, then I'd have a problem with it. Time will tell.

I also like how it explains the flood myths on their site, bringing to light simple to understand information and the credibility to the story of Noah and strengthening the faith of Christians.

On a less savory note: Not surprised atheists, fake Christians and satanists have already started their evil scheming and wicked plans about burning it down. If I was Ken I'd up the security against these unhinged weirdos. Even secular businesses see how crazy these people are.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-ad-mocking-ken-hams-ark-encounter-as-genocide-incest-park-rejected-by-billboard-companies-164070/
 
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Your way off.

And you don't have to participate in this discussion if you don't believe it was real.

P.S. Science has not debunked the flood.
I'd ignore Dr Hoghead1 with a PhD on the internetz. He's like a broken record, merely repeats the same garbage over and over again.
 
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Thanks for backing me up. No evidence of starvation there either.
I speak with local homeless people quite often. They enjoy the
freedom of not having a regular job and the ability to move around
without obligations. One guy volunteered that he worked freelance
at a "pickup location", and I looked into it and it was not in operation.
He was drinking in the park.

Most homeless are alcohol/drug abusers or mentally ill.
 
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The purpose of science is for us to test out our beliefs, however cherished and sacred they may be. Many religious beliefs are not suitable for scientific testing, but some are. The idea of a Global Flood is one of them. ...

Not really, Hoghead. Yes, we have observed local natural floods, but the Flood of Noah's day was a different animal. Rather than being the result of normal processes, it was the result of God's supernatural intervention. It was also ended supernaturally. I think this is what throws off most secularists. They're looking for some kind of natural cause and for natural signature marks, as well, that we'd expect from a natural event, that ended naturally. But Scripture doesn't report a natural event, at least not as far as cause and effect. It was an act of God, and it's difficult to discern the exact mechanisms He used.

There are certainly signatures, like marine fossils in high mountains, but they just rationalize those away with concocted natural explanations that take millions of years.

And then there's the flood legends we find in every ancient culture on earth, all with intersecting corroborating details. These also speak of a supernatural cause, and a supernatural ending also. Every bit of historical evidence we have about this historical event points us in the supernatural direction.

If you approach the issue with an anti-supernatual bias, yes, I can see why you'd not believe in Noah's flood. But if you're a Christian, it may be more about defiance and unbelief. There's probably also a misunderstanding about how miracle can effect our interpretation of observations.
 
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