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Hi Van it would really help if you quoted people and said who you are referring to. It is really hard to tell whose posts you are talking about from the claims you make.ROFLOL, yet another post redefining supernatural to mean natural. And yet I supposedly lack a fundamental knowledge of what science is. As Bobby Jones might have said, Scientists play it where it lays. They say "oops" alot.
So at the end of the day, the brand of TE that post here, say they do not know how the Universe began, but it was not supernatural as defined in the dictionary.
They do not know how life began, but it was not supernatural as defined in the dictionary.
And they do not know when or if God supernaturally instilled the capacity to handle abstract thought.
They will say God did it at a level below that which can be detected, which is no different from saying there is no evidence of God in nature.
Wrong. We are saying that we cannot be certain whether the universe was created via natural or supernatural means.So at the end of the day, the brand of TE that post here, say they do not know how the Universe began, but it was not supernatural as defined in the dictionary.
Wrong. We are saying that we cannot be certain whether life was created naturally or supernaturally.They do not know how life began, but it was not supernatural as defined in the dictionary.
You continue to misrepresent us. Evolutionary creationists are certain of one thing: regardless of whether the Lord created life via natural or supernatural means, HE CREATED. What's so untheistic about that? Do you limit God's action only to what is supernatural? Can God not exercise His providence through nature as well?Not a very theistic view after all.
There is certainly evidence for God in nature (Rom 1:20), but it isn't proof. If we could prove God simply by pointing to gaps in His creation, we wouldn't need faith. And faith is one of the most important Christian attributes of all!They will say God did it at a level below that which can be detected, which is no different from saying there is no evidence of God in nature.
There is certainly evidence for God in nature (Rom 1:20)
What is so "untheistic" about denying evidence for God in nature? Is there really a need to answer that one?
I think this speaks for itself...How would you know, since you know nothing or at least are uncertain about everything. I have said nothing about you, except that you seem to like to disparage others. Trite.
I think this speaks for itself...
And then the rest of the post goes on to disparage TEs...
Methinks the lady doth protest too much! (note how he takes any opportunity to disparage both Calvinism and Calvinists!)Folks note that I am being attacked personally rather than discussing whether God created life supernaturally or through natural processes. God did not create life through natural processes is the most probable answer to the question. That understanding does not paint anyone "into a corner."
Next I am charged with saying bad things about the Calvinists. Yet another disparagement, another falsehood, another personal attack. Calvinism is false doctrine and it is defended by (1) personal attack, (2) misrepresentation and (3) vague statements that could mean anything.
I was called a "troll." But did I call anyone a troll? Nope. So I am charged with what others are doing to me. Go figure.
Next Mallon says we cannot be certain and I acknowledge his statement of post #85 and then am charged with saying something "bad" about Mallon. Like a toddler, I think I should hold up two (2) fingers.
TE says whatever turns out to be correct is what I believe, for now I take no position because no one can be certain. They know this is age of darkness thinking,
What is so "untheistic" about denying evidence for God in nature? Is there really a need to answer that one?
Folks, the version of TE held by the other posters on this forum seems to be atheistic evolution in drag. ....
Since they object to the idea that God supernaturally created life,
But to hide this, they say they just do not know. Otherwise they would have to accept one of the alternatives.
They think this view is sound scientifically.
That is a "I believe in whatever turns out to be right" non-position position.
Folks, TE hold to either "A" or "B". I hold to "B". The brand being advocated here is "I do not know for "certain" whether it is "A" or "B" because I do not want to "paint myself into a corner." That is a "I believe in whatever turns out to be right" non-position position. That is not theistic evolution.
Sounds like the hammer striking the nail on the head.
That's awfully magnanimous of you, now you just need to actually start treating people with integrity.I do not wonder if thefijian would accuse Jesus, because the question itself would be a personal attack on thefijian. Jesus said our yes should be yes and our no should be no, that we should treat others like we want to be treated, with integrity.
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