Life Origins & Science

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My problem is, Adam 'never' had a choice, the future was known. There really was no reason to create Satan, nor the tree. He had creation complete, in all its glory. End of story.

Your prayers may be answered, but what about the millions that aren't? If they're answered, you praise God. If they aren't, it's God's will.

What comes to mind is 2 Samuel 12:15-23. David prayed for his son's health, he died, and then stopped weeping. He essentially said, nothing I can do, I'll just meet him in heaven. I think there's a lot of emotional and psychological factors involved in such a scenario that eases the mind.

Adam had a choice. You're argument is that because God knew Adam would disobey Adam had no choice. I don't see it holding much water.

 

[Brightmoon]

I often wondered this as well. If you look at everything on earth its pretty amazing that everything perfectly fits into everything else. It does seem like it was designed. To believe everything just randomly evolved over time to work with everything else is pretty astounding. A Cat is perfectly designed to kill a rat, and a Rat is perfectly designed to to get away from predators.

you do realize that living organisms evolved together . If the cat caught the rat it couldn’t leave offspring and if the cat couldn’t catch rats it starved and couldn’t leave offspring either . You think that looks designed but it just evolved like that. Natural selection

 

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you do realize that living organisms evolved together . If the cat caught the rat it couldn’t leave offspring and if the cat couldn’t catch rats it starved and couldn’t leave offspring either . You think that looks designed but it just evolved like that. Natural selection

Does this look evolved?

 

[Brightmoon]

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Does this look evolved?

. Actually it looks like a cartoon . Seriously that “little walking dude” is really a reaction between two chemicals in rl it’s not as neat as that . It looks like it’s walking because you’ve pretended it’s doing something familiar. Kids do that when they see shapes in clouds .

I remember the video that still came from . Cool video,I wish you or I could link it

 

[trophy33]

A Cat is perfectly designed to kill a rat, and a Rat is perfectly designed to to get away from predators.

So its a tie. Both of them must evolve some mechanism how to solve this tie and survive. For example, rats multiply at the speed of light. While not useful for the survival of individual, its effective for the survival of the species.

 

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. Actually it looks like a cartoon . Seriously that “little walking dude” is really a reaction between two chemicals in rl it’s not as neat as that . It looks like it’s walking because you’ve pretended it’s doing something familiar. Kids do that when they see shapes in clouds .

I remember the video that still came from . Cool video,I wish you or I could link it

Here you go, enjoy.

Yes it is a chemical reaction that causes it to walk across the tubule. The thing is, it can. There is also a purpose why it's walking across the tubule. If you watch the video you'll see the tubule kind of zip together between point A and B.

How does a process like this evolve?

 

[trophy33]

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Does this look evolved?

Evolution actually does not have any problem with things looking designed. Its just a side effect of the survival of the fittest.

If there would be a hole 1centimeter wide and I would throw millions of various objects at it, with different shapes and sizes, the ones who would go through would look "designed for this hole". Even though in reality it would not be designed for it at all.

 

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Evolution actually does not have any problem with things looking designed. Its just a side effect of the survival of the fittest.

If there would be a hole 1centimeter wide and I would throw millions of various objects at it, with different shapes and sizes, the ones who would go through would look "designed for this hole". Even though in reality it would not be designed for it at all.

Yes, but once your object went through the hole...on the other side it would have a purpose. A second object would use the first..

 

[trophy33]

Yes, but once your object went through the hole...on the other side it would have a purpose. A second object would use the first..

And the objects that did not fit and "died" would not have an obvious purpose. Its all about perspective.

But as Christians, of course, we see the ultimate purpose in everything that is happening, both good and bad. No dead insect is without meaning.

 

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And the objects that did not fit and "died" would not have an obvious purpose. Its all about perspective.

But as Christians, of course, we see the ultimate purpose in everything that is happening, both good and bad. No dead insect is without meaning.

the organelle and other components presented in the video are a bit more complex and sophisticated than throwing an object through a hole....

 

[trophy33]

the organelle and other components presented in the video are a bit more complex and sophisticated than throwing an object through a hole....

Because its a today's outcome of billions throws through the hole in various stages of evolution.

Millions and billions of unsuccessful "cousins" did not make it. You simply see only the winner.

 

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Because its a today's outcome of billions throws through the hole in various stages of evolution.

Millions and billions of unsuccessful "cousins" did not make it. You simply see only the winner.

Nope. The millions and billions of unsuccessful "cousins" would have done damage to the "trend" long before a so-called beneficial mutation would randomly happen along.

Evolutionism fails. Trust your bible.

 

[Tone]

The scientific method is much too subjective to explain life on earth as we know it.

 

[trophy33]

Nope. The millions and billions of unsuccessful "cousins" would have done damage to the "trend" long before a so-called beneficial mutation would randomly happen along.

An their trend died out. The successful trend survived and multiplied. This simple principle is everywhere in the universe, from economics through biologiy to wars.

Evolutionism fails. Trust your bible.

Its like saying "technology fails, trust the jungle people". Not a very clever statement.

We do not have to accept cosmology or other "science" of people who lived 4,000 years ago.

 

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An their trend died out. The successful trend survived and multiplied. This simple principle is everywhere in the universe, from economics through biologiy to wars.

You're other problem is when you try to modify the trend. Simply put, there isn't enough beneficial mutations. I've already showed you a harmful or neutral mutation would occur long, long before and stop the increased benefit the trend is providing.

Its like saying "technology fails, trust the jungle people". Not a very clever statement.

We do not have to accept cosmology or other "science" of people who lived 4,000 years ago.

So, what you are saying is you don't trust the bible about the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

 

[trophy33]

You're other problem is when you try to modify the trend. Simply put, there isn't enough beneficial mutations. I've already showed you a harmful or neutral mutation would occur long, long before and stop the increased benefit the trend is providing.

Nobody is able to watch all mutations that happen every second all over the planet. Beneficial mutations are the ones that survive, logically, so we can see mainly them. Harmful mutations lead to death of the creature or species.

So, what you are saying is you don't trust the bible about the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

No, what I am saying is that I do not trust the Bible regarding astronomy, biology, anatomy, chemistry, magic...pretty much everything those human authors could not know.

I trust them that when they saw an empty tomb, it was an emty tomb, when they saw Jesus eating with them, it was Jesus eating with them etc., their knowledge was sufficient for such conclusions.

 

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Nobody is able to watch all mutations that happen every second all over the planet. Beneficial mutations are the ones that survive, logically, so we can see mainly them. Harmful mutations lead to death of the creature or species.



No, what I am saying is that I do not trust the Bible regarding astronomy, biology, anatomy, chemistry, magic...pretty much everything those human authors could not know.

I trust them that when they saw an empty tomb, it was an emty tomb, when they saw Jesus eating with them, it was Jesus eating with them etc., their knowledge was sufficient for such conclusions.

I've noticed you don't trust the bible when it says Adam was created and not evolved. You know the Adam that was the 7th from Enoch. The very same Adam whos sin and death spread to all of mankind.

The Adam who's linage contained Noah who survived what the bible calls a world wide flood.

BTW science says you stay dead on day 3. I think I see a double standard here.

 

[trophy33]

I've noticed you don't trust the bible when it says Adam was created and not evolved. You know the Adam that was the 7th from Enoch. The very same Adam whos sin and death spread to all of mankind.

The Adam who's linage contained Noah who survived what the bible calls a world wide flood.

BTW science says you stay dead on day 3. I think I see a double standard here.

Evolved does not mean "not created". If you mean that I do not believe that the dramatic/poetic Mesopotamian description in Genesis is a modern science, then you are right.

 

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Evolved does not mean "not created". If you mean that I do not believe that the dramatic/poetic Mesopotamian description in Genesis is a modern science, then you are right.

Evolution teaches man evolved first the after man evolved women evolved.

1 Tim 2:13 For Adam was formed first, and then Eve.

 

[trophy33]

Evolution teaches man evolved first the after man evolved women evolved.

I do not understand this sentence.

1 Tim 2:13 For Adam was formed first, and then Eve.

In Genesis's story? Yes.