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Life on earth and then heaven?

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I don't understand and never understood when I was a question as to why a god would create us, have us live for 60 years on earth and then send us to heaven or hell for eternity based upon a short time spent on earth. Why? Why would anyone want to worship such a cruel god? Is he running an experiment with other gods?
 

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Ok check it...
Let's say you were this all mighty creator... you are just sitting there... being alone... I mean eventually you're going to want some companionship. So you create this huge race of robotic humans that have no free will... they love you, worship you, never do anything wrong. But they have no souls, no free will... Would this be true companionship? Could you "Build" a wife? "Build" a child? Nah, emotions should come from within. So, God, knowing this, decides to create a race of humans... with souls, and free will... We go through trials and tribulations which show God who are the ones who REALLY love him or not... I mean, if you watch someone go through hell and back and still love you... it means something. You ever messed up SO bad with your parents... but they still loved you? That's the type of love he wanted to create. His love. Now I know from an outside view it may seem pretty messed up that there is evil period... but how is he supposed to know if not? With girlfriends... do you not put them through tests? I mean there are tests everywhere in life... Jobs, Schooling, etc.etc. It builds us as people and creates character... it'd be dope if EVERYONE could be a doctor but you'd have alot of doctors who didn't care... that's why it takes like 8 years to become one, to show who is REALLY dedicated in LEARNING their profession. We're just going to school right now to go to heaven. Just so happen it takes like 70 years. (If you live that long)

Be dedicated, without the opposite end of the spectrum you can never have a spectrum at all.
 
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one love said:
I don't understand and never understood when I was a question as to why a god would create us, have us live for 60 years on earth and then send us to heaven or hell for eternity based upon a short time spent on earth. Why? Why would anyone want to worship such a cruel god? Is he running an experiment with other gods?

God is not cruel, but just. He gives man the gift of life and then a full choice between good and evil. Without that choice can love exist? Can love be forced? At first, I thought your post had the example of all people are like God's children and how could a father do such things with His children, but no all people are God's children, but His creation. He creates, but they do not become sons and daughters of God until they ask. They are never forced to love God or even give Him thanks for the life they have received.
Why would God want to make man for fellowship and know love? Why would anyone ask that? Is not life good but for the disease and death that came from sin?
He has given His own life to save mankind from death and even knows who will enter His kingdom, but He never bars the door to any but those who are His enemies and deny Him. Jesus, the Savior, has said that if you deny me before men, I will deny you before the Father. It is His desire that all men repent of sin and be saved, but He will not force them.

2 Peter 3:9 ¶ The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise to return, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to perish, so he is giving more time for everyone to repent.

Mt 10:33 But if anyone denies me here on earth, I will deny that person before my Father in heaven.
 
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one love said:
I don't understand and never understood when I was a question as to why a god would create us, have us live for 60 years on earth and then send us to heaven or hell for eternity based upon a short time spent on earth. Why? Why would anyone want to worship such a cruel god? Is he running an experiment with other gods?

i just think it depends on how you view heaven and hell that will dictate one's view of viewing God of cruelty.

if you believe in a literal interpretation of scriptures, then yes, i agree with you. there seems to be a cruel sense of irony. heaven is made out to look like streets of gold, and mansions in heaven, while hell is looked at in the terms of fire and brimestone, gnashing of teeth.

as far as i'm concerned, all the elegant explanations used in the Bible could be exactly how it is, or it could not be. especially with the authors that were writing the books of the Bible, and the style of the culture of the day, writing it in such magnificant form as almost like the jewish midrash, the mythological type of writing that did rule the culture of the day.

i myself view heaven and hell in simple terms. heaven is a state of being with God, hell is a state of being in the seperation of God. i have no care if heaven has streets of gold, or if hell has fires. i believe it is up to us in the tiemframe we have to search out for God. and the choices we make today always affect our future. it's one of them old cliched' sayings that fits into every aspect of our lives. plus, i'll let God desicide this stuff, then me worrying about coming to some personal conviction of where my eternal state is going when i breathe my last.

God Bless you! <><
 
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Rafael... slow down, obviously this guy is a non beleiver... you can't shove down "God's love" and bible verses in his throat... I was not saying God's love can be matched... I was showing examples. Keep in mind I was an athiest and anti-christian for years... I know how to approach people that are non-believers... I really appreciate you helping though and clearifying his love. I can tell you live within God's love... but he doesn't understand that yet ;) All I'm say is that we need to speak where it will relate to people. But I see your attempts and it's appreciated. BTW, All of us ARE God's children no matter how much we fall away. ;) He is the father, he created all.

God Bless Rafael...
 
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God created us to have fellowship with Him. Unfortunately we are not fit to have fellowship with Him because we are not holy. Thats why we have the Word of God (The Bible) to teach us Gods requirements.
Unfortunately that is not enough because once we learned what the requirements were (The 10 Commeandments) we found that we could not keep them. And since God hates sin the only thing we are qualified for is death.
Thats why he sent His Son Jesus to stand in the gap for us. He had to die for us because the only way to remove sin in God's eyes is through a blood sacrifice. So He took our sins on Himself and died a horrible death on the cross so we could have fellowship with the Father through Him.
Through a supernatural experience called the "new birth" we live our lives through Jesus and are led by the Holy Spirit to carry out our fellowship with God for all eternity.
 
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First, there are no other Gods. God created us for his pleasure. Nothing would exist without God. All creation is his doing. And all creation does the will of God. He has provided salvation, freely given to all who willingly come to him through Jesus Christ. However, he will not force anyone. We must decide.
 
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WhyAjani said:
I wish people would actually answer his question :(
I will!

He put us on earth to become more like him. He didn't want a bunch of mind warped robots and wanted us to choose to love him.(its like saying 'love me or die', thats not real love...) He wanted us to choose our own path, so living on earth is like a test to see that we will love God no matter what and always come back to him no matter how far we stray. And if we DO do that, and love him with all our heart, we get life forever with God! And if we choose to not believe, well, the result isn't pretty...

Did I answer that okay? Did you get it?
 
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Now wait a minute!! God was NOT lonely. "The Bible says 'God is love'. It doesn't say God HAS love. He is love! There is perfect love in the fellowship of the Trinity."-Rick Warren

He didn't NEED to make us but he WANTED to make us to EXPRESS his love.
 
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I don't understand and never understood when I was a question as to why a god would create us, have us live for 60 years on earth and then send us to heaven or hell for eternity based upon a short time spent on earth. Why? Why would anyone want to worship such a cruel god? Is he running an experiment with other gods?
If you want to fly to Hawaii in a single engine jet that has never, ever been tested...Count me out. Aeronautical engineers are not so foolish as to approve of a mechanism that has never first been qualified by a preliminary test, and God cannot ever be foolish either. We are given this short but valuable life as a qualification for another life that is yet to come, and this opportunity for qualification is crucial beyond words to describe. If the jet blows up in the testing facility, it will never be conscious to receive any guilt for it's failure, but we will. We have the rational minds, functional wills, powers of observation and means of accessing truth in order for us to take all of the credit for either achieving of heaven or defaulting to hell, unlike inanimate objects that have no choice in their fate. I suppose that the Creator could have made me a redwood tree, but I am sure glad that He didn't. A redwood tree will never know either the glory of fellowship with God nor the bliss of heaven.
 
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Life on earth and then heaven?


I don't understand and never understood when I was a question as to why a god would create us, have us live for 60 years on earth and then send us to heaven or hell for eternity based upon a short time spent on earth. Why? Why would anyone want to worship such a cruel god? Is he running an experiment with other gods?

He said He created us to have fellowship with Him.
We worship Him because He is awsome beyond description, and though we were yet sinners, He died for us anyway, that we may live (with Him).
If there were other gods, then God would'nt be God.
 
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I don't understand and never understood when I was a question as to why a god would create us, have us live for 60 years on earth and then send us to heaven or hell for eternity based upon a short time spent on earth. Why? Why would anyone want to worship such a cruel god? Is he running an experiment with other gods?
Greetings
I have answered a question simular to your and they had asked how could God be Good if he send people to hell. I'd like to repost my answer for you, it will give you a bigger picture and more knowledge about what kind of question your asking to be explained.

Greetings
There are a few things to understand to know the answer to that kind of question. I can shed some light on the answer, but be open minded since all this is new for you.

There use to be 3 sections to the underworld area. The first we call hell which is call hades.
The second is the bottomless pit found in (Revelation 9:2) The bottomless pit is were the worst and most evil angels that followed satan out of heaven are Chained until the Great Judgement Day (Jude 1:6)
The third was paradise, this was the temporary place(heaven) that the rightious souls who had faith in God and those who were under that years blood scarifice went to after there life on earth was done, this place was taking away when Jesus arose from the dead and took them all to heaven were they are to this day. Ephesians 4:8-10. Those who were taken to heaven with Christ are all the old testament people in the paradise.
So Now there are only two place there only one gets bigger as I will explain. Just as our universe is always expanding and has no limits God said " hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure:(Isaiah 5:14). Hell has expanded since paradise was taken out and it has no limits, if needed it could hold the whole world.
So lets review, the 3 places of the underworld, paradise-gone now, the bottomless pit-those angels that to wicked to be free, Hell(hades) is the place that the souls of the lost go until the final day of Judgement. Now that you understand what was down there, it will help you see what Hell is.
Hell (hades) is not the place the lost is judged that place would be known as Gehenna
Does a guy that breaks the Law go straight to prison right after being arrested, NO this would be a unjust action and this is not how it works he goes first to a holding cell at the local jail to await all charges to be file against him. Just like hell(hades), all are equal, no crime greater then another until Judgement day, all await there day in court. This is what Hell is being used for.

Hell is not the final place that the lost soul will stay, it is were the soul is held after the body dies because the body goes back to the dust. Everyone who dies lost will receives the same torments as all in this temporary place, there is not different degrees personal punishment in hell( hades) right now because it is just the Holding place not the final place.
There is a Day God has set aside to judge every evil work and to pass down the exact required payment that must be paid. This is were God will bring justice to each and every crime and sin ever commited.Right now during this period of time, we call the age of Grace the only sin God holds a person accountable for right now is rejecting the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ and that's it. He see's every sin we do as being done thru ignorance, this allows him to have complete forgivness on every man, women, boy and girl.No matter what sins you ever did God knows you done them not understanding that they were wrong. Everytime we have done something we knew it was wrong when we were doing it, every person has a conscience, when we lie, we know it's wrong then, when a person cusses, and so on, we are all with this knowledge of right and wrong.
When a person dies lost there soul will stay in the holding cell called Hell, it's only until Gods final day of Judgement.(Rev 20:11) At this Judgement every evil, every secret, every deed, every thought, every cuss word, is added to each account. The Bible calls this Judgement, the Great White Throne judgement. When the lost appear at this judgement they will receive there bodies but this time there bodies that are made to be able to handle the terrible judgement that will be given.
Christians will have a glorified body to face there judgement, but they receive rewards at there judgement not punishment. The lost will have a soul and body to be cast in alive taking every price and tourment received in judgement according to there evil works, cast into the Lake of Fire.
Just think of how hot it could be if a person get's 1 degree of fire per offence. How many cuss words have you said, then add up the dirty thoughts, the jokes, all the people that have been affected by every bad thing you did to them, what about for every lie you have told, It makes me tremble to think of the received punishments.
Everything we do is recorded into our minds, your eyes are recording lens God records your whole life from, some who have died explain there whole life flashed before there eyes, your whole life is recorded inside your mind.Man has created great machines some can even trace every phone conversation, great records are stored on a small computer and at the push of a button, entire history of a person can be traced.
Each person as they walk through this life they are recording there own actions for a witness on that day of judgement. If a person denies they did a act that there accused of God will show it to you, he can show the exact second you did it live right before your own eyes and there will be no excuse for you to use, every small thing you have done, on that day it will be shown to all the hosts of heaven and many are going to add on to there punishment that day, because of all the lies they are going to tell him, he will be just because there will not be one thing left in the universe unpunished after this great judgement day. .
Jesus said in Matthew 12:36-37;" I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned".
After this great judgement day trial is over, all there will be cast into the Eternal prison known as The Lake of Fire.(Revelation 20:15)

Who is the Judge on that day? It will be none other then Jesus Christ Himself.
Jesus said so in John 5:22;" For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"
Jesus made the way to be saved and because he is the salvation and the only way, God commited all judgement to him. He knows all who are his and he knows all who are not his. There will be no mistakes on the Day he judges.
John 10:24-30
24. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30. I and my Father are one.
Being saved is free, all we have to do is ask to be forgiven, no works to be done to get it, it's all paid for and it is Gods free gift. How could God make it anymore simple for us to receive. If anyone searched all the rest of the worlds religions they will have to do this kind of work or that work to go into there place, but in every other religion there is never no assurance, no promises that you will go this way, the truth is you don't, without Jesus you pay your own crimes and you'll go to the holding cells of hades. That is why Jesus told us nobody can come to heaven except by him.We have the sin infection in our blood, he didn't. That why it took him.
If I owned a house and I told everybody who wants to enter it they must come thru the front door only or be arrested . Suppose then people said he's not serious and started trying to come through my roof or window, would I be wrong to called the law, no.
Is it my fault they went to jail, NO! Why not? I tried to help let them in, I warned them theres one way in. I made the way to get in by invitation, and it wouldn't cost them one thing , but by choosing there own way to get in , they lost it all, but it all came down to there choice on how to get in. This is the same way God has done for all of man kind, he made salvation to be free and every person gets it the same way, asking Jesus.He has told us to come in thru the door and the only door is Jesus, read it.
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Is God just in what he is doing, yes when we see the big picture there is nothing left for him to do, it's up to us to decide to get in, his way or pay our own way, which will you choose.
Matthew 7:13-14 ; Jesus said , Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it
John 14:6 6. Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
don't miss your invitation.
Rev Malone
 
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