Life never ends?

InFlames · Sep 8, 2004

Wouldnt it be a fact to say that once a person if born they will exist forever? What I mean is, once you are born, you live for whatever time you have on earth but, after that youll either go to heaven or hell for eternity, according to the bible right? I donno its just a little weird, compared to eternity our lives on earth must be like a flash. What I dont get is when a baby dies at birth, how will that baby have a personality in heaven if it never had time to develop one? I sort of think earth is a place where we find out what our talents are and form personalities. This is sortof a question and an idea I have; any comments you have please post.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Sep 8, 2004

InFlames said:
Wouldnt it be a fact to say that once a person if born they will exist forever? What I mean is, once you are born, you live for whatever time you have on earth but, after that youll either go to heaven or hell for eternity, according to the bible right? I donno its just a little weird, compared to eternity our lives on earth must be like a flash. What I dont get is when a baby dies at birth, how will that baby have a personality in heaven if it never had time to develop one? I sort of think earth is a place where we find out what our talents are and form personalities. This is sortof a question and an idea I have; any comments you have please post.

Yes, all will live for eternity, some in heaven, some in hell.

There is no scripture that says all babies will go to heaven. In fact, they are born with original sin carried from the father. But, since God can determine what they will be like, I am sure they will have some way to mature to a certain point outside of earth.

only1wolfman · Sep 9, 2004

if someone is too young to understand what being saved is and they die then they will go to heaven.
As for eternal life and death this is refering to someone's soul. They will etheir be present with God in Heaven (eternal life), or be present with satan in hell (eternal death) for all eternity.

Rafael · Sep 9, 2004

InFlames said:
Wouldnt it be a fact to say that once a person if born they will exist forever? What I mean is, once you are born, you live for whatever time you have on earth but, after that youll either go to heaven or hell for eternity, according to the bible right? I donno its just a little weird, compared to eternity our lives on earth must be like a flash. What I dont get is when a baby dies at birth, how will that baby have a personality in heaven if it never had time to develop one? I sort of think earth is a place where we find out what our talents are and form personalities. This is sortof a question and an idea I have; any comments you have please post.

God surely has a place and purpose for each of the lives that He creates. Afterall, He is the Creator, and would know best how to treat each individual case of life and death that happens here on earth after mankind's fall into sin and death. He is the Creator and Redeemer of us all, and therefore, twice His. The life He gives returns to Him, and He would surely know what to do wth that life and have appointment for all. The number of man is not infinite, and if He knows even the number of hairs on our heads, then how much more the whole person and its destiny.

thereselittleflower · Sep 9, 2004

only1wolfman said:
if someone is too young to understand what being saved is and they die then they will go to heaven.

Yes, they are holy innocents, and are not judged om what they might have become if they had lived . . . The Early Church believed that they went into the care of angels.

As for eternal life and death this is refering to someone's soul. They will etheir be present with God in Heaven (eternal life), or be present with satan in hell (eternal death) for all eternity.

It is also referring to the body, for all are resurrected.

Peace in Him!

OrthodoxyUSA · Sep 9, 2004

According to "The Orthodox Church" every person has a beginning, none have an end...

Forgive me....

The Midge · Sep 9, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Yes, all will live for eternity, some in heaven, some in hell.

There is no scripture that says all babies will go to heaven. In fact, they are born with original sin carried from the father. But, since God can determine what they will be like, I am sure they will have some way to mature to a certain point outside of earth.

There is no scripture saying that original sin is passed down in our genes either

Eze 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

It is possible to see "hell" as some kind of oblivion. The ending of a ife that should have gone on forever. As such it is more tragic than the death of the immortal elves in a Tolkien epic.

Rafael · Sep 9, 2004

I think little children are innocent of sin because they are not at an age where they can participate much in it, but they have inherited death and the nature to sin, which may be what Bizzlebin means. Even though they are innocent, they have the nature to grow up and sin and die. This is why the virgin birth was important - so that the Lord had as His Father none of the nature of man which is inherited from Adam. Jesus therefore did not inherit that nature and was able to remain the sinless lamb of God. If this were not true, the virgin birth would have not been necessary.
God bless

Ro 5:12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. Adams sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.

Ro 5:17 For if by one mans offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Serapha · Sep 9, 2004

InFlames said:
Wouldnt it be a fact to say that once a person if born they will exist forever? What I mean is, once you are born, you live for whatever time you have on earth but, after that youll either go to heaven or hell for eternity, according to the bible right? I donno its just a little weird, compared to eternity our lives on earth must be like a flash. What I dont get is when a baby dies at birth, how will that baby have a personality in heaven if it never had time to develop one? I sort of think earth is a place where we find out what our talents are and form personalities. This is sortof a question and an idea I have; any comments you have please post.

Hi there!

To add to the previous responses...

Citing the "Roman's Road".... one of the understandings is knowing that the wages of sin is death.

A baby or small child does cannot comprehend the "wages of sin"... therefore they are innocent of sin. If one does not know that they are disobedient unto death, then they are not disobedient unto death.

~serapha~

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Sep 9, 2004

only1wolfman said:
if someone is too young to understand what being saved is and they die then they will go to heaven.

Do you have a scripture if I may ask?

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Sep 9, 2004

The Midge said:
There is no scripture saying that original sin is passed down in our genes either

It maybe genetic, I don't know. All I do know is that those beings that have free will only die if they have an association with sin.

James1979 · Sep 10, 2004

You can't just base off of one scripture to believe that babies by default will enter into the kingdom of God. Does Romans 2:11 apply for only those who can understand sin. God said he's not a respecter of persons. So if babies are innocent, therefore God has respect for babies and no respect for other people who have the knowledge of being in sin and are guilty before Almighty God? I don't think so.

The Midge · Sep 10, 2004

Thankfully God is a bettter judge than us and can figure if a toddler is capable of responding to the Gospel and sinning or not. To be brutally hones we should be more concerned about the application to ourselves who are capable of understanding the concepts.

only1wolfman · Sep 12, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Do you have a scripture if I may ask?

Deuteronomy 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
Isaiah 7:16
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

I would like to emphasive the fact that does not mean that children can not be saved.
Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew 21:15
And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David (aka. Jesus); they were sore displeased,
2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Eph 6:4
And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Prov 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
1 Samuel 2:18
But Samuel ministered before the Lord, being a child, girded with a linen ephod.

only1wolfman · Sep 12, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
It maybe genetic, I don't know. All I do know is that those beings that have free will only die if they have an association with sin.

sin is not passed down through genes. they are of this world and not of God and if it was genetic then being the fact that Jesus had genes (kind of a requirement to be born and live physically if you ask me IMHO) then that would mean that he was not perfect. Sin is a spiritual death (separation from God) not physical, where as Redemption is a spiritual birth (as a son of God) not physical.

And (sorry, but I have to say this or i'll being banging my head on the walls and stuff, just blame it on my being a perfectionist ) but "association with sin" probably isn't the best phrase to use because Jesus was associated with sin when he took the sins of this world off our shoulders and onto his, but I do know what you meant .

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Sep 13, 2004

only1wolfman said:
Deuteronomy 1:39
Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
Isaiah 7:16
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

I would like to emphasive the fact that does not mean that children can not be saved.
Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Matthew 21:15
And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David (aka. Jesus); they were sore displeased,
2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Eph 6:4
And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Prov 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
1 Samuel 2:18
But Samuel ministered before the Lord, being a child, girded with a linen ephod.

The first scripture is talking about Israel, the second Jesus, and I don't see how the others relate to the topic.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · Sep 13, 2004

only1wolfman said:
sin is not passed down through genes. they are of this world and not of God and if it was genetic then being the fact that Jesus had genes (kind of a requirement to be born and live physically if you ask me IMHO) then that would mean that he was not perfect. Sin is a spiritual death (separation from God) not physical, where as Redemption is a spiritual birth (as a son of God) not physical.

And (sorry, but I have to say this or i'll being banging my head on the walls and stuff, just blame it on my being a perfectionist ) but "association with sin" probably isn't the best phrase to use because Jesus was associated with sin when he took the sins of this world off our shoulders and onto his, but I do know what you meant .

But it does cause physical death (Adam) and goes along with resurrection. The physical and spiritual death are different, but are caused at the same time. The same goes for the physical resurrection and spiritual life. And Jesus did not die untill He did take the sins of the world.

only1wolfman · Sep 15, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
The first scripture is talking about Israel, the second Jesus, and I don't see how the others relate to the topic.

All the scriptures are talking about children. Let me partially quote those scriptures above (in the same order as above):
remember they are partial verses read the whole verses above first!!!

your children...had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither

before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good

little ones which believe in me

children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David (aka. Jesus)

from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures

children...but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord

Train up a child in the way he should go

only1wolfman · Sep 15, 2004

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
But it does cause physical death (Adam) and goes along with resurrection. The physical and spiritual death are different, but are caused at the same time. The same goes for the physical resurrection and spiritual life. And Jesus did not die untill He did take the sins of the world.

Adam did not physically die when he spiritually died (Cain and Abel were born after him and Eve sinned). Everyone is physically dying every second: cells in your body die all the time, we just keep growing them back, with the exception of brain cells of course. Jesus did not die right when he took the sins of this world. there was at least enough time to fill a sponge with vinegar and give it to Jesus drink before he died physically, if he would have died spiritually he could not have been perfect and therefore not have saved us from damnation.

vanshan · Sep 15, 2004

We are born in to a corrupted fallen world therefore we all will sin, but a baby is not born guilty of anything. Original sin is false.

We are not by nature eternal beings except by the will of the Eternal God. It is He who gives us the gift of eternal life. We would be temporal beings like animals without that life being given. I think the implications of this view are significant--it puts human life in proper perspective. We are not inheritly eternal we are God's humble creation. It is the correct view which is counter to the elevated view of humankind that is part of humanist philosophy.

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