Liberal Thinkers

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One of the definitions of liberal in the Webster's Dictionary reads:
One who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

I believe this might be a good general definition of what liberal means. However, in the last few years, it seems that with this we might tack on some other things such as "trust the government/science" and being "tolerant" of different ideas (as long as you don't disagree with them).

There are some major problems I see with being a liberal thinker. The problem is not exclusively being "loose on crime." Rather, it is a mindset that seems to just swallow the pills of whatever it is the current culture is jamming down our throats. It's a very "progressive" type of mindset, meaning, they think there is this kind of progress that is made with humanity especially relating to morality. This is a huge blindspot for them IMO. People are as wicked today as they were at the time of Christ, if not more. Perhaps they are not as violent in the Western world (though sports like UFC would probably like to have a word about this), but they make up for it with gross amounts of hedonism, entitlement, arrogance, disrespect, callousness, and recklessness (2 Timothy 3:1-5). In short, it's all about me to them. Gen Z is probably the most selfish generation ever to walk the face of the earth. Constraints are good and right. Not "Law" but self-control. IMO, we should blame the internet. While the internet can be a great good, I sometimes wonder if my life would be better without it. Social media seems to reward this selfish behavior.

So I ask: what can we do about this? Does anyone have any ideas?

 

[HTacianas]

One of the definitions of liberal in the Webster's Dictionary reads:
One who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

I believe this might be a good general definition of what liberal means. However, in the last few years, it seems that with this we might tack on some other things such as "trust the government/science" and being "tolerant" of different ideas (as long as you don't disagree with them).

There are some major problems I see with being a liberal thinker. The problem is not exclusively being "loose on crime." Rather, it is a mindset that seems to just swallow the pills of whatever it is the current culture is jamming down our throats. It's a very "progressive" type of mindset, meaning, they think there is this kind of progress that is made with humanity especially relating to morality. This is a huge blindspot for them IMO. People are as wicked today as they were at the time of Christ, if not more. Perhaps they are not as violent in the Western world (though sports like UFC would probably like to have a word about this), but they make up for it with gross amounts of hedonism, entitlement, arrogance, disrespect, callousness, and recklessness (2 Timothy 3:1-5). In short, it's all about me to them. Gen Z is probably the most selfish generation ever to walk the face of the earth. Constraints are good and right. Not "Law" but self-control. IMO, we should blame the internet. While the internet can be a great good, I sometimes wonder if my life would be better without it. Social media seems to reward this selfish behavior.

So I ask: what can we do about this? Does anyone have any ideas?

There's something of a problem with that definition. By that definition I am a liberal. But I also strictly observe orthodox or traditional forms and ways. I believe in changing rules or ways when it is appropriate. But I need a compelling reason for changing them. You'll find nowadays that those who describe themselves as liberal want to do away with all rules for no good reason at all, simply for the sake of abolishing traditional forms and ways. But I happen to know why we have traditional forms and ways. And it's usually because they work. They have been developed over time through trial and error.

 

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There's something of a problem with that definition. By that definition I am a liberal. But I also strictly observe orthodox or traditional forms and ways. I believe in changing rules or ways when it is appropriate. But I need a compelling reason for changing them. You'll find nowadays that those who describe themselves as liberal want to do away with all rules for no good reason at all, simply for the sake of abolishing traditional forms and ways. But I happen to know why we have traditional forms and ways. And it's usually because they work. They have been developed over time through trial and error.

You do not seem like the type of person I am talking about.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

One of the definitions of liberal in the Webster's Dictionary reads:
One who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

I believe this might be a good general definition of what liberal means. However, in the last few years, it seems that with this we might tack on some other things such as "trust the government/science" and being "tolerant" of different ideas (as long as you don't disagree with them).

There are some major problems I see with being a liberal thinker. The problem is not exclusively being "loose on crime." Rather, it is a mindset that seems to just swallow the pills of whatever it is the current culture is jamming down our throats. It's a very "progressive" type of mindset, meaning, they think there is this kind of progress that is made with humanity especially relating to morality. This is a huge blindspot for them IMO. People are as wicked today as they were at the time of Christ, if not more. Perhaps they are not as violent in the Western world (though sports like UFC would probably like to have a word about this), but they make up for it with gross amounts of hedonism, entitlement, arrogance, disrespect, callousness, and recklessness (2 Timothy 3:1-5). In short, it's all about me to them. Gen Z is probably the most selfish generation ever to walk the face of the earth. Constraints are good and right. Not "Law" but self-control. IMO, we should blame the internet. While the internet can be a great good, I sometimes wonder if my life would be better without it. Social media seems to reward this selfish behavior.

So I ask: what can we do about this? Does anyone have any ideas?

Just a reminder, Gen Zers are still young so it would be normal for them to be selfish, entitled, etc., etc. I am certain parents were up in arms with the hippie movement. Anyhow, everything is cyclical so what can we do about it? Teach our children about love. Blessings.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

One of the definitions of liberal in the Webster's Dictionary reads:
One who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

I believe this might be a good general definition of what liberal means. However, in the last few years, it seems that with this we might tack on some other things such as "trust the government/science" and being "tolerant" of different ideas (as long as you don't disagree with them).

There are some major problems I see with being a liberal thinker. The problem is not exclusively being "loose on crime." Rather, it is a mindset that seems to just swallow the pills of whatever it is the current culture is jamming down our throats. It's a very "progressive" type of mindset, meaning, they think there is this kind of progress that is made with humanity especially relating to morality. This is a huge blindspot for them IMO. People are as wicked today as they were at the time of Christ, if not more. Perhaps they are not as violent in the Western world (though sports like UFC would probably like to have a word about this), but they make up for it with gross amounts of hedonism, entitlement, arrogance, disrespect, callousness, and recklessness (2 Timothy 3:1-5). In short, it's all about me to them. Gen Z is probably the most selfish generation ever to walk the face of the earth. Constraints are good and right. Not "Law" but self-control. IMO, we should blame the internet. While the internet can be a great good, I sometimes wonder if my life would be better without it. Social media seems to reward this selfish behavior.

So I ask: what can we do about this? Does anyone have any ideas?

We should ship them to Muslim Countries.

 

[RoBo1988]

But I happen to know why we have traditional forms and ways. And it's usually because they work. They have been developed over time through trial and error.

As the proverb goes: if you're going to tear down a fence, you might want to find out why the fence was put there to begin with.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Just a reminder, Gen Zers are still young so it would be normal for them to be selfish, entitled, etc. I am certain parents were up in arms with the hippie movement. Anyhow, everything is cyclical so what can we do about it? Teach our children about love. Blessings.

Being selfish or feeling entitled has absolutely nothing to do with ages. And even if it did, it would be the opposite. Nobody is more selfish or feels more entitled than a 77-year old man named Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the political party: Republicans are selfish and think they are entitled to power; Democrats care about the quality of life for all 330 American citizens and millions of other innocent people around the world. Yes, liberals are open-minded, specifically to ways that will make the world a much better place. And contrary to what they say in public it is not true conservatives tolerate disagreements. They all want to force their different opinions down the throats of liberals. The definition of a liberal is someone who will openly accept, if not embrace, ways to make the world a better place.

As long as I live, I will reject any ideas that the people who are selfish and feel entitled are liberals. Unlike conservatives, liberals want solutions to all of the world's problems. And almost all liberals are flexible about how to solve them.

 

[ari.sketch]

at its base core, a lot of things seem, and are in fact good or neutral at best,

it's what we/people do with it that made it bad.

I think it's good to be tolerant and accepting, but when it's not aligned with God's will or His way - then it becomes bad.

And to the question of what we can do about it ...

I have to say that, apart from God, man would not be able to do anything,

and it may have to start with us,
starts with that little circle of me, with God, living in obedience according to His will in my life, (doing our best to live in obedience, not about being perfect, we're all 'work in progress'),

then that circle widens and our sphere of influence grows, affecting those around us.

so, I start with me, first ... being available, usable, and able to be used by God

 

[2PhiloVoid]

One of the definitions of liberal in the Webster's Dictionary reads:
One who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

I believe this might be a good general definition of what liberal means. However, in the last few years, it seems that with this we might tack on some other things such as "trust the government/science" and being "tolerant" of different ideas (as long as you don't disagree with them).

There are some major problems I see with being a liberal thinker. The problem is not exclusively being "loose on crime." Rather, it is a mindset that seems to just swallow the pills of whatever it is the current culture is jamming down our throats. It's a very "progressive" type of mindset, meaning, they think there is this kind of progress that is made with humanity especially relating to morality. This is a huge blindspot for them IMO. People are as wicked today as they were at the time of Christ, if not more. Perhaps they are not as violent in the Western world (though sports like UFC would probably like to have a word about this), but they make up for it with gross amounts of hedonism, entitlement, arrogance, disrespect, callousness, and recklessness (2 Timothy 3:1-5). In short, it's all about me to them. Gen Z is probably the most selfish generation ever to walk the face of the earth. Constraints are good and right. Not "Law" but self-control. IMO, we should blame the internet. While the internet can be a great good, I sometimes wonder if my life would be better without it. Social media seems to reward this selfish behavior.

So I ask: what can we do about this? Does anyone have any ideas?

... what can we do about a self-ish world?

In answering this question, I'd likely take a more liberal tact and say: care more about other people's overall well-being and be more educated.

 

[RoBo1988]

... what can we do about a self-ish world?

In answering this question, I'd likely take a more liberal tact and say: care more about other people's overall well-being and be more educated.

Yes, I agree. Matthew 28:19-20 make more disciples.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yes, I agree. Matthew 28:19-20 make more disciples.

That's true too, but ...

... I was referring to those majority instances where various individuals we encounter decline the invitation to follow Christ.

 

[BPPLEE]

Being selfish or feeling entitled has absolutely nothing to do with ages. And even if it did, it would be the opposite. Nobody is more selfish or feels more entitled than a 77-year old man named Donald Trump. It has everything to do with the political party: Republicans are selfish and think they are entitled to power; Democrats care about the quality of life for all 330 American citizens and millions of other innocent people around the world. Yes, liberals are open-minded, specifically to ways that will make the world a much better place. And contrary to what they say in public it is not true conservatives tolerate disagreements. They all want to force their different opinions down the throats of liberals. The definition of a liberal is someone who will openly accept, if not embrace, ways to make the world a better place.

As long as I live, I will reject any ideas that the people who are selfish and feel entitled are liberals. Unlike conservatives, liberals want solutions to all of the world's problems. And almost all liberals are flexible about how to solve them.

You just demonstrated another characteristic of liberals; accusing others of what they themselves are doing

 

[GodLovesCats]

You just demonstrated another characteristic of liberals; accusing others of what they themselves are doing

No, that is what conservatives do and you know it. Liberals are not prejudiced against pregnant women or selfish enough to commit murder for the sake of keeping their money. They care about every person who lives in America and want all Americans to have a very high quality of life from birth to death. They want to help people live safely with humanitarian aid in a war zone and get innocent people out of hell. They condemn all crimes. And they fully support the law of the land, America's Constitution, as it was intended.

Conservatives OTOH want a lawless country that isolates itself from the rest of the world and is ruled by old rich white men who collect fully automatic guns. They don't care about political, moral, and philosophical ethics.

 

[All Becomes New]

No, that is what conservatives do and you know it. Liberals are not prejudiced against pregnant women or selfish enough to commit murder for the sake of keeping their money. They care about every person who lives in America and want all Americans to have a very high quality of life from birth to death.

Everyone except the unborn... and anyone who disagrees with them. But other than that, yup, I agree!

 

[BPPLEE]

No, that is what conservatives do and you know it. Liberals are not prejudiced against pregnant women or selfish enough to commit murder for the sake of keeping their money. They care about every person who lives in America and want all Americans to have a very high quality of life from birth to death.

Who is commiting murder to keep their money? It’s liberals who support murdering the unborn. And from birth to death? They don’t even want some people to be born.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

No, that is what conservatives do and you know it. Liberals are not prejudiced against pregnant women or selfish enough to commit murder for the sake of keeping their money. They care about every person who lives in America and want all Americans to have a very high quality of life from birth to death. They want to help people live safely with humanitarian aid in a war zone and get innocent people out of hell.

I think it's a bit much to speak for others in asserting "they care about every other individual."

It'd probably be more accurate to say that, as a liberal, YOU love every person living in America, but that doesn't mean each of the other millions of individual Liberals in America actually "love" every other person in America.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Who is commiting murder to keep their money? It’s liberals who support murdering the unborn. And from birth to death? They don’t even want some people to be born.

Conservatives are the people who buy guns to commit murder and are selfish enough to keep their money that would otherwise be spent on mandatory paternity fees.

Liberals totally respect the Constitution, which gives all pregnant girls and women the right to have abortions in multiple amendments. Conservatives make themselves believe no such right is in it for the selfish purposes of wanting to control women with unwanted or bad pregnancies and treating those people like they are second-class citizens. BTW there is no such thing as an unborn person and liberals absolutely do care about all people. Conservatives only care about themselves and people like them.

 

[dwb001]

Conservatives are the people who buy guns to commit murder and are selfish enough to keep their money that would otherwise be spent on mandatory paternity fees.

Liberals totally respect the Constitution, which gives all pregnant girls and women the right to have abortions in multiple amendments. Conservatives make themselves believe no such right is in it for the selfish purposes of wanting to control women with unwanted or bad pregnancies.

Sorry, but where in the Constitution is the right to kill the unborn? Name the ammendment.

Define a "bad pregnancy".

 

[GodLovesCats]

Sorry, but where in the Constitution is the right to kill the unborn? Name the amendment.

The Fourth, Fifth, Ninth, Thirteenth, and Fourteenth Amendments can all be used to prohibit certain anti-abortion laws. Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment specifically includes the word "born" in its definition of a U.S. citizen and gives all people - not homo sapiens - the right to liberty.

Define a "bad pregnancy."

A complicated pregnancy in which medical problems occur because the mother is pregnant (such as preeclampsia or gestational diabetes) or the fetus has zero chance of becoming viable and is not worth saving because of congenital disorders such as lacking a brain or trisomy 13. Sometimes the fetus literally is literally killing the mother. And there are ectopic pregnancies, which require 911 calls for immediate surgery to save the mother's life.

 

[All Becomes New]

viable

Define viable.