Has any heard of -Liberal Judaism?- I'm aware of Judaism 101 but most Torah-followers are very or ultra-conservative.
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Liberal Judaism?
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In the U.S.A, there are 5 branches of Judaism.
1. Orthodox
2. Conservative
3. Reconstructionist
4. Reform
5. Humanistic
In England, to my knowledge there are 3 branches
1. Orthodox
2. Reform
3. Liberal
In England Reform is closer to the U.S. Conservative and Liberal is closer to the U.S. Reform.
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From my perspective;
The Chassidic movemant places greater emphasis on the Kabbalah then most Orthodox. The tend to be more isolated in their communities, living together. They are more 'charismatic' in their approach to Judaism and their leader is viewed as more 'mystical' and therefore more authority. The Chassidic wear different clothing and the various groups tend wear certain clothes or hats based on the origin of their sect and what their Rebbe wore.
Orthodox do not wear 'black hats', and do not emphasize the Kabbalah. The Orthodox Rabbis do not have the same level of 'mystical' authority. While Orthodox live close enough to the Shul to walk, the community is not as closed and insular.
I am assuming by MO you mean Messianic Orthodox?
If so, the biggest different is of course the belief in Yeshua. Messianic Orthodox is difficult to nail as there are many variations. Most Messianic Orthodox do not hold the Talmud as authoritative while Orthodox Judaism does hold the Talmud as authoritative.
Honestly, I grew up in an Orthodox environment, and the Rabbi of the shul thought little of the Kabbalah, and was not impressed by the Chassidic. At the same time, I do not understand Messianic Orthodox as many times, I do not view what they do as 'Orthodox'.
For example, it has dawned on me somewhat recently that when many Messianic say they keep Kosher, in my mind they are not keeping Kosher, so I would not consider them Orthodox. (Some eat only meat from animals which chew their cud and have a split hoof, but purchase their meat from a regular grocery story, which buys meat from slaughter houses which do not care about draining blood in the same fashion as Kosher butchers so the meat is bloody.)
The Chassidic movemant places greater emphasis on the Kabbalah then most Orthodox. The tend to be more isolated in their communities, living together. They are more 'charismatic' in their approach to Judaism and their leader is viewed as more 'mystical' and therefore more authority. The Chassidic wear different clothing and the various groups tend wear certain clothes or hats based on the origin of their sect and what their Rebbe wore.
Orthodox do not wear 'black hats', and do not emphasize the Kabbalah. The Orthodox Rabbis do not have the same level of 'mystical' authority. While Orthodox live close enough to the Shul to walk, the community is not as closed and insular.
I am assuming by MO you mean Messianic Orthodox?
If so, the biggest different is of course the belief in Yeshua. Messianic Orthodox is difficult to nail as there are many variations. Most Messianic Orthodox do not hold the Talmud as authoritative while Orthodox Judaism does hold the Talmud as authoritative.
Honestly, I grew up in an Orthodox environment, and the Rabbi of the shul thought little of the Kabbalah, and was not impressed by the Chassidic. At the same time, I do not understand Messianic Orthodox as many times, I do not view what they do as 'Orthodox'.
For example, it has dawned on me somewhat recently that when many Messianic say they keep Kosher, in my mind they are not keeping Kosher, so I would not consider them Orthodox. (Some eat only meat from animals which chew their cud and have a split hoof, but purchase their meat from a regular grocery story, which buys meat from slaughter houses which do not care about draining blood in the same fashion as Kosher butchers so the meat is bloody.)
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Speaking of which - one can go to a quality butcher for a wide assortment of meats ~ cured ham,sausage,grade-a beef, pork, different types of steak. You would have to take it upon yourself to be sure that animal blood is properly separated from the meat prior to cooking/grilling/frying. Otherwise, being 'Kosher' is just a tiffle about how or what to eat.
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Black hats are very common in our community, and amongst non-Chassidic communities. Although of course not all wear them.
Our communities tend to be very tight knit, although not to the extreme that
some of the Chassidim go to.
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I don't want to get into too much detail but:
The blood is to be drained on the ground (which non-Kosher slaughter houses don't care about), and a Kosher slaughter house slaughters in a fashion which removes as much of the blood as possible.
From there, usually a salting process is used to remove as much of the remaining blood as possible. The meat must be salted within 72 hours of slaughter as the blood will move from the veins, into the meat and fix itself in the meat after 72 hours.
Non-Kosher slaughter houses do not slaughter with removal of blood as a goal, so much of the blood remains in the meat. Typically, you buy in non-Kosher markets is not less then 72 hours old, and has more blood to start with.
So, in my view, meat sold in super-markets (non-Kosher) is not Kosher, even if it is beef which could have been Kosher.
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Perhaps this link to M.O. will work.
Modern Orthodox Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Modern Orthodox Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks!
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Lulav,
I recorded it. Watched it up to the point of Oprah leaving the first household. And, yes, that is what confused me. I thought they did all that the Orthodox do except what Qnts2 said, they were more into Kaballah then Orthodox. Then I got to wondering what the differences were between Orthodox and Modern Orthodox? And more musings came up, but decided to just stick with those three.....lol. (I still haven't finished watching yet. I'm watching the whole series.)
I recorded it. Watched it up to the point of Oprah leaving the first household. And, yes, that is what confused me. I thought they did all that the Orthodox do except what Qnts2 said, they were more into Kaballah then Orthodox. Then I got to wondering what the differences were between Orthodox and Modern Orthodox? And more musings came up, but decided to just stick with those three.....lol. (I still haven't finished watching yet. I'm watching the whole series.)
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NP
can you define the difference?
The difference between Orthodox, Chassidic and Modern Orthodox is summed up in how stringent they are. Stringencies in the Orthodox world is often more as community obligations to keep themselves separated from the rest of the world.
Chassidic/Haredi will tend to take the most strict and stringent application, while the Modern Orthodox will be just as strict on the law but not the strictest possible interpretation. A lot of the difference is in minhag (community agreed upon practices).
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There's not one definition. While Orthodox and Hassidim differ in some observances, there's not much difference dogmatically speaking. I feel right at home with both. Come to think of it, there is no real definition of the Orthodox Judaism, either Where does Hassidism, which is Orthodox Judaism, end and the regular Orthodox Judaism begin? Especially when Hassidism varies as well. Personally, I think if you wear kaftan and kolpik, it may be time to update your wardrobe.
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