Leviticus 28:19

[wildboar]

unkern:

I don't believe that all uses of the cross are idols but that is entirely irrelevant to the current discussion. If the ancient Israelites started making an idol out of the snake on the pole the problem wasn't that they were starting to build the thing incorrectly. From my own studies it appears that there were several crosses in use at the time of Christ including both a upper case and lower case tau style and you have not provided any real evidence to the contrary but just directed me to some general body of Roman literature so I'm pretty convinced that you are just spouting off and don't really know with any certainty as to what type of cross Jesus was crucified on. My wife being stabbed and Christ being crucified are two entirely different things. If a man were to stab my wife and I were around I would most likely stab him in return but that would be an instance of one sinner stabbing another sinner who got stabbed in turn by me (another sinner). Christ was completely innocent and not just the victim but the priest as well offering Himself up. The crucified Christ is the clearest presentation of both the law and the Gospel. It shows me how horrible my sins really are and it also shows me the great love of Christ in dying for me. A knife from my stabbed wife would just show me how wicked other people are and perhaps cause me to become self-righteous in thinking how much better I am than the stabbing guy.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

But all of this is entirely irrelevant to the discussion of the particular cross that Jesus was crucified on.

 

[olympic]

the small t was used church tradition tells you this

 

[freeport]

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

do you have to abide to this, even if the tattoo consists of the cross and a positive phrase?
http://home.c2i.net/espurkel/onlythestrong.jpg

The Law is spiritual, and should be interpreted through the Spirit of Christ.

For instance, our real Father is God the Father, Jesus says, 'call no man 'father' but your heavenly father'.

And Paul pointed out the Law 'do not muzzle your oxen when it is treading the grain' is not about oxen, but about Christians being paid for the work they do in God. (Pointing out it is not oxen God is concerned about, obviously.)

As for that Law that speaks about people commiting themselves in the flesh, making signs on their flesh, to gain acceptance for the crowd, or to otherwise disfigure one's self for pleasing me as people are want to do. For Jesus spoke strongly against 'seeking the praise of men'. And the Spirit of Christ confirms this.

This is also about confirming ourselves to any body other then the Body of Christ. Your body is not your own that you might devote yourself to anyone but God.

If someone wished to get a tattoo praising God or showing their devotion to God, what cause of sin is that? Of course not. I do not recommend it, but does it not say in Scripture, 'one shall write on his hand 'Israel''?

It is not what we put in our mouths that causes us to be unclean applies to this: furthermore we are not of the Law, nor do we follow a religion of 'do this' and 'do not do that', but we live in freedom through Christ.

There is now no condemnation in Christ, but we must make right decisions and listen to the Spirit: do not be mindless, nor seek teachers, for Christ alone is our teacher. We are called to think and reason - judge - rightly.

 

[LLWHA]

"I am The Way, The Truth and The Life" Jesus

"The Way" is Gods Laws in the Old Testament.

Jesus was "The Way" in action and deeds.

Jesus showed you The Way you need to be to go home to the Father.

Jesus did not eat pork. Jesus did not eat lobster. Jesus did everything God commanded.

No you can not scar up the body you are using.

Anyone that tells you different is deceived.

 

[LLWHA]

There is now no condemnation in Christ,quote]

Jesus is going to burn billions of souls up. He is not playing!!

4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).

 

[imissJesus]

Lev 28:19 hmm....

I was reading some Galatians today and came across the following in Chapter 3:

23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
[Gal 3:23-25 NIV]

It is my understanding that when Jesus came, that we were "released" from the old law. He showed us the way to salvation.

 

[liars_paradox]

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

do you have to abide to this, even if the tattoo consists of the cross and a positive phrase?
http://home.c2i.net/espurkel/onlythestrong.jpg

I won't say that you don't, because it is ambiguous. But, passages like these are commonly referred to when trying to argue for things like gay marriage. Even though the bible criticizes gay marriage in the book of Leviticus, there are quite a few laws in there that Christians (and not even Jews either I guess) follow today. Such as pork (big thing among Christians), shaving, getting hair cuts, measuring systems, etc.

 

[Mattsanity]

yeah it's Leviticus 19:28

I still have warfare in my mind about whether I should tat that design. Im still on the side of not tatting that, but it's not guaranteed. yes I gotta work on not being double-minded.

 

[IronManMatt]

I don't understand why there is a question about this issue. God said "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord"

The only question is whether or not we are going to obey.

Saying that we are no longer under the law is not an exuse to disobey commandments. The law tells us what is right and wrong, if we go against the law then we are wrong. The difference between being under the law and under grace is that under grace when we sin by breaking the law we are forgiven through Christ's sacrifice.

 

[christandisrael]

If you had minas, take care of it. You body belongs to the Lord, we need to present it as an offering. The verse is correct.

 

[Mattsanity]

yeah my mom says I shouldnt tat myself, and I won't. she tells me to tat god's words in my heart instead.

 

[one11]

I'd say God forbid this because of the transference of blood diseases, which we all should, by now, know can happen, but will not always happen, though you are still taking chances with tattoos. Blood poisoning can occur as well. I'm sure this is why God told them not to shave as shaving causes cuts and infections as well. If germs get into the blood stream, it can be deadly.

God wants us to live and be healthy and enjoy a long life.

I also remembered that in the late 80's/early 90's some people got HIV/AIDS from getting tattoos. Sure, some tattoo parlors may take precautions, but you never know...

Tattoos and HIV from the Center for Disease Control (link below)

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa27.htm

 

[lissaskew]

The context of this passage pertains to mourning rituals for the dead. In ancient times some people would cut their hair, make bald spots on head, cut their skin, and also inscribe the names of the dead ones on their skin. Often this was in pagan practices to secure favor with the gods for themselves and also the dead. It is mentioned in other scripture in Leviticus and also Deuteronomy..although the tattoo idea is only mentioned here. But I do believe it is pertaining only to rituals of mourning, which were more for pagan practices. God's chosen were to set themselves APART from these other people practicing such ritual.

 

[Clare73]

"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

do you have to abide to this, even if the tattoo consists of the cross and a positive phrase?

The Levitical ceremonial laws no longer apply.

My thinking on that law is it was forbidden because that was what the pagans did.