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I've been reading the book of Luke this week and have come across some scripture that seems to point toward the direction of a multi level hell.....


Luk 20:46 Beware4337 of575 the3588 scribes,1122 which desire2309 to walk4043 in1722 long robes,4749 and2532 love5368 greetings783 in1722 the3588 markets,58 and2532 the highest seats4410 in1722 the3588 synagogues,4864 and2532 the chief rooms4411 at1722 feasts;1173

Luk 20:47 Which3739 devour2719 widows'5503 houses,3614 and2532 for a show4392 make long prayers:4336, 3117 the same3778 shall receive2983 greater4055 damnation.2917




Since there is a greater damnation wouldn't it make sense that there must be lesser levels of damnation? Any thoughts or responses would be appreciated.



 

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Oh my... That is horrible. Here:

Luke 20:46Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; 47Which devour widows' houses, and forashow make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

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Please never do that again. For all the time you took to color the text, you could have simply edited it to be more legible (especially since the numbers don't even do anything). That's incredibly difficult to read. :(

For an online Bible that you can easily copy and paste from with minimal extra numbers, go to Bible Gateway.
 
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Breananin said:
Please never do that again. For all the time you took to color the text, you could have simply edited it to be more legible (especially since the numbers don't even do anything). That's incredibly difficult to read. :(
The #'s are strongs concordance #'s, so they can be helpful.

N2Worves, you can go to edit options and set your post thing for WYSIWYG which will allow you to paste links as they are. That way, others could click those #'s and go to the definition.
 
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n2wolves said:
I've been reading the book of Luke this week and have come across some scripture that seems to point toward the direction of a multi level hell.....


Luk 20:46Beware4337of575the3588scribes,1122which desire2309towalk4043in1722long robes,4749and2532love5368greetings783in1722the3588markets,58and2532thehighest seats4410in1722the3588synagogues,4864and2532thechief rooms4411at1722feasts;1173

Luk 20:47Which3739devour2719widows'5503houses,3614and2532forashow4392make long prayers:4336, 3117the same3778shallreceive2983greater4055 damnation.2917




Since there is a greater damnation wouldn't it make sense that there must be lesser levels of damnation? Any thoughts or responses would be appreciated.



I might suggest that not all forms of damnation are found in hell. Some forms may be found in this life... in the form of sickness, early death, curses, etc..etc..
 
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Look at something Jesus said:

Luke 13
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.


Note that Jesus said these men were not sinners beyond anyone else. He also says that the tragedy they suffered was a result of their sin. He also said that if we do not repent of our sin, we could likewise perish. The "likewise" perish was physical death. Nothing is said about hell or the condition of their spirits. If fact, Jesus specifically says they were no worse than anyone else. It is conceivable that there may have been righteous men among them! But Jesus said that if we do not repent of our sin, we would suffer, and even lose our physical lives. "Ye shall all likewise perish", i.e. you will suffer physical death. Yes, there is a hell, and there will unfortunately be many in it. But not all sin condemns you to hell. Not all sin causes you to lose your spiritual life.
 
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Romans 2:5-6 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds...

thats black and white, there is no hidden meaning to this verse, it is as it is. Makes me sick when i see making any verse allegorical when it contradicts are view of a certain doctrinal issue (though some verses are allegorical, such when Jesus said eat of my body and drink my blood, thats allegorical for many reasons but one is because it would contradict the OT where it says not to be canibalistic Gen 9:4 Lev 7:26-27; 17:10-14 Deut 12:23-34... when Jesus said that it was basically as some would call "the mystical union" basically a intimate relationship between Himself and a believer) when are to take it for its literal meaning.
 
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Have you ever in "righteous" took a stand that later you found out just how wrong you were. Then the self condemnation, Hell that your mind puts you through, because of it. If the sin is little, but the hardness of the heart makes it impossible to acknowledge let alone repent, then when faced with the truth, the hell of it all comes upon yourself.

So it is when we come before the Lord, it is our own self damnation that is the hell, for those that are against the Lord, the worse it is. As in all the examples given so far, whoops!!! doesn't descibe it.

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n2wolves said:
I've been reading the book of Luke this week and have come across some scripture that seems to point toward the direction of a multi level hell.....


Luk 20:46Beware4337of575the3588scribes,1122which desire2309towalk4043in1722long robes,4749and2532love5368greetings783in1722the3588markets,58and2532thehighest seats4410in1722the3588synagogues,4864and2532thechief rooms4411at1722feasts;1173

Luk 20:47Which3739devour2719widows'5503houses,3614and2532forashow4392make long prayers:4336, 3117the same3778shallreceive2983greater4055 damnation.2917




Since there is a greater damnation wouldn't it make sense that there must be lesser levels of damnation? Any thoughts or responses would be appreciated.

Hi there!

:wave:

Revelation 20 speaks of the White Throne judgment. It isn't a judgment of whether one will go to the lake of fire (hell), as everyone who is standing there in judgment is already doomed. The judgment is the administration of righteousness to the wicked, and therefore, different administrations of judgment must exist. In eternity, everyone is rewarded for their works... with a good reward or a recognition of bad reward, but everyone will get their just due "reward".


~serapha~
 
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Yes, I believe that there are levels of torment in hell, and also levels of reward in heaven.

The Scripture you quoted is not the only one that indicates degrees of torment, there are many more. Here's one from the Psalms:

Psalm 7:14-16 "Behold, the wicked brings forth iniquity; Yes, he conceives trouble and brings forth falsehood. He made a pit and dug it out, and has fallen into the ditch which he made. His trouble shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down on his own crown."

This verse indicates that whatever evil a man does will eventually catch up with him. This idea is consistent with the law of sowing and reaping:

Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked: for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap."

The idea continues:

Romans 2:5-6 "But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds."

Back to the Psalms:

Psalm 62:12 "Also to you, O Lord, belongs mercy; for You render to each one according to his work."

And again:

2 Cor. 5:9-10 "Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad."


Similarly, there are degrees of reward in heaven. Not everyone who goes to heaven will receive the same reward. Those who gave up much, those who sold out to the Lord and served Him with all their heart, loving nothing but HIM, those who preached the Gospel, those obeyed Him consistently and lovingly, expecting no reward in return, those who even died for Him will receive much greater rewards.

Ps. 18:20-24 "The Lord rewarded me according to my
righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands...."

Rev. 22:12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work."

Heb. 11:35 "...Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection."

Matt. 16:27 "For the Son of man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."

1 Cor. 3:8 "Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor."

See also 1 Cor. 3:10-15; Eph. 6:5-8

Here is a partial list of rewards I have found as I've studied Scripture:


1. Crowns, 1 Cor. 9:25
The Crown of Righteousness, 2 Tim. 4:8
Condition: Given to all those who have loved His appearing

The Crown of Life, James 1:12
Condition: Given to those who love Him, who have endured temptation and been approved

The Crown of Glory, 1 Peter 5:4
Condition: Given to elders who have shepherded the flock well

2. Jewelry, possibly, see Prov. 1:8-9; SS 1:9-11; Ezek. 16:9-14 (done both figuratively and literally for Israel at one time, but judgment took this away, Is. 3:16-25)

3. Houses and lands, Matt. 19:29; Mark 10:29-30; Luke 18:29-30; the principle: 2 Chron. 25:9

4. Authority, Matt. 24:45-47;25:14-23; Luke 12:42-44; Rev. 3:21; 21:7

5. Glory, Rom. 2:6-7; Col. 3:4; 1 Peter 1:3-7; 4:12-19; Rev. 21:24, 26; 1 Cor. 15:35-49, 58

6. They will shine, Dan. 12:3; Matt. 13:43
Condition: be wise; turn many to righteousness

7. One of the best rewards: The salvation of those who hear us, 1 Tim. 4:16

8. The sanctification and salvation of our families, 1 Cor. 7:14; Acts 16:31

9. And the best of all: Jesus will say: "Well done My good and faithful servant," Heb.13:20-21; Matt. 25:23


A final thought--Not everyone who says, "Lord, Lord," will go to heaven, but those who truly make Him their Lord in even the smallest things--these will be richly rewarded, far beyond anything they ask or think.
 
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I've often thought on this topic--not so much the aspect of torment, but rather that we will be rewarded to the degree we sell out to the Lord...

Heaven will not be the same for everyone, nor could there possibly be envy. Who would begrudge those who died for Christ their greater reward?

Similarly, who would begrudge those who lived for God with everything they had their greater reward?

I believe we need to ask ourselves if we are truly living for Christ, or just for ourselves. Surely our experience of eternity will be influenced by our decisions while we are here on this earth.

For myself, the rewards I want most are to see others saved, influenced and strengthened for good because I lived for Christ....And to hear my Master say, "Well done, My good and faithful servant!"
 
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