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Let's talk about the Lord's Sword
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It's a metaphor.
But if it were a literal sword, it would be Excalibur.
It's a metaphor?
A figurative symbol to represent real death and killing??? I'm not following you.
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razeontherock
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Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."
It would seem that the "real death and killing" is as literal as "the sword that goes out of His mouth"
Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh."
It would seem that the "real death and killing" is as literal as "the sword that goes out of His mouth"
Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword"
Matthew 10:24-27
Didnt jesus come with sword aswell?
Matthew 10:24-27
Didnt jesus come with sword aswell?
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Jesus' "sword" was metaphoric. But I can't see how the "sword of the LORD" in the Old Testament was anything but literal, as it describes all the killing Yahweh is going to do because he is angry and doesn't like people very much.
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Most christians I know subscribe to the literal, fundamentalist interpretation of Revelation. Meaning a future time of god killing the world and the world being knee deep in rivers of blood. It's deeply disturbing to any sane person.
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razeontherock
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It still cracks me up when people use the word "parabolic" to mean this same thing. Try to picture Jesus' sword as being a parabola
With some geeky mathematician taking a protractor or something to his mouth, trying to plot the curve But I can't see how the "sword of the LORD" in the Old Testament was anything but literal, as it describes all the killing Yahweh is going to do because he is angry and doesn't like people very much.
The literal OT sword of the Lord was very often Israel, and Jews teach they were simply wrong about all that, sorry. I do think it's a wrong portrayal of G-d you present here, "not liking people very much." that simply doesn't jibe with the whole of Scripture, so that understanding needs to be refined a bit. And His anger is clearly an anthropomorphism, so I'm not sure how clearly any mortal really sees the larger subject.
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razeontherock
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Most christians I know subscribe to the literal, fundamentalist interpretation of Revelation. Meaning a future time of god killing the world and the world being knee deep in rivers of blood. It's deeply disturbing to any sane person.
I think it's high time for you to meet some other Christians! Or rather, I should say, that those who view things the way you've been exposed to are a modern invention, and at least some of the ways they've removed themselves from the early Church and what's been historically taught, are problematic, wrong, and if for nothing but this reason, maybe the early Church had some things right. (Even if through no fault of their own)
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It still cracks me up when people use the word "parabolic" to mean this same thing. Try to picture Jesus' sword as being a parabola
The literal OT sword of the Lord was very often Israel, and Jews teach they were simply wrong about all that, sorry. I do think it's a wrong portrayal of G-d you present here, "not liking people very much." that simply doesn't jibe with the whole of Scripture, so that understanding needs to be refined a bit. And His anger is clearly an anthropomorphism, so I'm not sure how clearly any mortal really sees the larger subject.
How could Israel be attacking Israel in Ezekiel?
LOL That doesn't sound right here. Most christians that I have met say it's literal anger, though you may disagree. Anyone just picking up the bible would probably say the same.
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razeontherock
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How could Israel be attacking Israel in Ezekiel?
So you're referring to "the enemy from the North," as Jeremiah (et al) also talks about?
Sure. The Bible seems to personify everything. Does that mean that every such representation is literal truth? Or maybe, should people actually grow in their understanding?
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I found an article that states, "Is your God a killer? If Hes not, then your god is not the God of the Bible." It underscores the sword of the lord, mentioned here.
Awesome God Week: God Is A Killer « The Lighthearted Calvinist
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razeontherock
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Wow, look at that url: light-hearted?
They develop some strange ideas of humor (and some other things I prolly shouldn't mention
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Wow, look at that url: light-hearted?
They develop some strange ideas of humor (and some other things I prolly shouldn't mention
The bible says god kills though.
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razeontherock
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Well, it says He has killed. I think that's an important distinction to make, don't you? Do remember that it was written in a culture and for a people that would go through the whole thing as a community, and you weren't considered to know anything until you had done so 40 times.
It would be interesting to collect all the times where G-d Himself killed, and see what those incidents have in common. And when you do, you will realize it's what my username is all about! Instead of waiting for G-d to Judge us for sin, we can judge ourselves, and meet our Maker in the here and now. Avoid the rush!
I think the salient points all refer to Him Blessing us when we take responsibility.
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