then i guess you really didnt read it :/
or dont understand what was being said, even though i explained it.
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then i guess you really didnt read it :/
or dont understand what was being said, even though i explained it.
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my mistake, please forgive me, it was on another post talking about a similar thing...
how did you find my post so fast? lol
hold up i will post it on here
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Let me explain this to you brothers and sisters
This is about God. Now put some thought, and meditate on what i say please
Stop using conjecture based upon what you think, and base it on what the scriptures say..
Firstly,
Hell was/is prepared for the devil and his angels, not man. It was not meant for man, for if it was they would have included man in that statement.
This suggest that before man was created, did the rebellion happen.
Now Let me give you some insight brothers and sisters about the evil one and God
The evil one deceived 1/3 of beings that knew God fully and lived in his presence. Go ahead and contemplate that power, just for a moment. Dont dwell on it, or you will seriously bring into question what/if you can trust anything in this world (this includes all those commentaries, books, that most of you read).
This is why Gehenna was prepared for the devil and his angels. They had sinned before man was created. The thought that the devil was right, even though they knew who God was fully. What a shame huh.
Now lets take a look at man
man got played by the greatest liar this universe has known. he is so good he tricked angels, who knew God fully (there is a reason i keep saying it)
man has only been deceived. man didnt know God fully and still reject him, like the angels did
man has been tricked. man didnt know both sides fully and then make a choice.
This is why God wont punish people forever. They have been deceived and these same people never knew God fully, "they know not what they do" for they have only been deceived.
Sure they made choices, and they will have to pay for those choices. But one of those choices wasnt to know who God is and to actually see him and to actually live in his presence and still make a choice to reject him
That is why God holding man as he holds angels who have seen him, at the same accountability, is unreasonable
for you to want so hard for unbelievers to stay in hell forever, shows what Joy you get out of watching people suffer. The joy is for justice, not suffering, there is a difference. And you condone your joy for suffering by saying "God says it is"
when that really isnt the case
This is about God. Now put some thought, and meditate on what i say please
Stop using conjecture based upon what you think, and base it on what the scriptures say..
Firstly,
Hell was/is prepared for the devil and his angels, not man. It was not meant for man, for if it was they would have included man in that statement.
This suggest that before man was created, did the rebellion happen.
Now Let me give you some insight brothers and sisters about the evil one and God
The evil one deceived 1/3 of beings that knew God fully and lived in his presence. Go ahead and contemplate that power, just for a moment. Dont dwell on it, or you will seriously bring into question what/if you can trust anything in this world (this includes all those commentaries, books, that most of you read).
This is why Gehenna was prepared for the devil and his angels. They had sinned before man was created. The thought that the devil was right, even though they knew who God was fully. What a shame huh.
Now lets take a look at man
man got played by the greatest liar this universe has known. he is so good he tricked angels, who knew God fully (there is a reason i keep saying it)
man has only been deceived. man didnt know God fully and still reject him, like the angels did
man has been tricked. man didnt know both sides fully and then make a choice.
This is why God wont punish people forever. They have been deceived and these same people never knew God fully, "they know not what they do" for they have only been deceived.
Sure they made choices, and they will have to pay for those choices. But one of those choices wasnt to know who God is and to actually see him and to actually live in his presence and still make a choice to reject him
That is why God holding man as he holds angels who have seen him, at the same accountability, is unreasonable
for you to want so hard for unbelievers to stay in hell forever, shows what Joy you get out of watching people suffer. The joy is for justice, not suffering, there is a difference. And you condone your joy for suffering by saying "God says it is"
when that really isnt the case
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actually the only one deceaved was eve, adam knew it was wrong and did it anyway....and because He is the father of all and sinned....all die.....forever.
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When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
So again, he was deceived right along with eve, because he was obviously with her as she ate it based upon what the serpent said.
If this was not so, then sin came through eve, since she was the only deceived according to you
In which case the bible lied, and The Lord being born to a virgin was actually in sin, is that what your saying?
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"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
1 tim 2:14
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do you not see the previous verse? Why does one have to repeat what is just said if it its in the same order?
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
The Order of when it happened has no bearing on who it happened to. which is both of them since he was standing right there with her, and knew exactly what was up.
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For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived (first); it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Obviously they both were decieved, for adam was standing with her at the garden as the evil one talked.
Just because the Order of when it happened is different doesnt matter on who it happened too.
both were deceived, just eve was deceived first
If adam wasnt deceived then why are we in sin? your logic makes no sense
again according to you, since the woman was deceived, then Christ was not pure since he came out of a woman, and since women are deceived, then we actually get our sin through them, not man.
but the bible says, man is where we get our sinful nature from.
i see you failed to address that question about Christ from my previous posts.
Obviously they both were decieved, for adam was standing with her at the garden as the evil one talked.
Just because the Order of when it happened is different doesnt matter on who it happened too.
both were deceived, just eve was deceived first
If adam wasnt deceived then why are we in sin? your logic makes no sense
again according to you, since the woman was deceived, then Christ was not pure since he came out of a woman, and since women are deceived, then we actually get our sin through them, not man.
but the bible says, man is where we get our sinful nature from.
i see you failed to address that question about Christ from my previous posts.
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adam was not deceived like the Bible says, He did it on purpose (God knows why)
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so you ignore that Adam was standing right there when the evil one was talking to eve?
thats like standing there with your brother and a cop, after your mom has told you both not to smoke pot or you will be kicked out.
The Cop says "you wont get kicked out if you take one hit of this joint"
Your brother takes a hit of the joint and says "yo bro, this stuff is good have some"
And then you take some. And your mother drove by as you did it and saw you both.
You have been deceived not only because of what your brother said, but what the cop said as well, even though you knew better, you still made the choice.
The order of who did what first, makes no difference.
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why are you fighting with God's word, I didn't say it!
"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
1 tim 2:14
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because obviously is was if he was standing right there next to her.
the order of who was deiceved first, makes no difference.
what dont you get?
the order of who was deiceved first, makes no difference.
what dont you get?
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it's not the order
why are you fighting with God's word?
"King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
1 tim 2:14
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then please o please answer the question.
If adam was not deceived, then how did he sin? One only sins if they are deceived into thinking its ok.
How does sin come through the man and not the woman, if you are right
If adam was not deceived, then how did he sin? One only sins if they are deceived into thinking its ok.
How does sin come through the man and not the woman, if you are right
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no, people don't sin because they believe it's okay. They sin because they want to. Plain and simple. So for the second time Adam did sin on purpose not because he was deceived.
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are you kidding me.
If they want to do something, then they think its right (based on deception of their feelings/understanding).....or dont really care (based upon the deception of their feelings)
same difference.
So if adam wasnt deceived, then why didnt he stop eve from being deceived, since he was standing right there.
If you know someone is being deceived, do you not say anything and let me go through with it, especially if you know what God said?
^if he did, that makes no logical sense in the concept your trying to portray.
also you fail to answer the second question.
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I have heard a pastor once say, the reason why Adam sinned was to be cursed with eve, because He loved Her. I don't know how accurate it is but it's possible. But I believe Adam was not deceived like the Bible states.
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