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Psss...I don't think there was a question asked. Did you even understand what I wrote?
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Let's stop arguing and have some peace for a second
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Psss...I don't think there was a question asked. Did you even understand what I wrote?
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Originally Posted by OntheDL
Light can not co-exist with darkness.
You shall be hated by ALL men for my sake.
The word/truth is a dividing sword. The two opposing views can never reconsciled.
To lay down the theological differences and worship together in the love of Christ is called ecumenism.
As Israel was carried to Babylon, the majority of SDAs are carried into captivity. Only a remnant shall be saved.
So what does that mean there is a remnant in the Adventist church that can't get along with any other Christians?
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So does that mean there is a remnant in the Israelite nation that can't get along with any other Israelites?
Actually the question should be flipped around: why can't those who claim to be Christians get along others who think differently?
Just because they claim the name that doesn't mean that they are Christians. Think of the gay priests who claim to be Christians, are they really?
By their fruits ye shall know them. When they lie about you and attack what you believe that's a pretty good clue that they aren't who they say they are. If they really loved God with all their heart, mind and strength and their neighbor as themselves they wouldn't be doing these things. Their doing proves that they don't really love like they ought to. Like the guy who always made sure that he had the biggest flag on the 4th of July--turned out he was a spy for the Russians during the Cold War.
Actually the question should be flipped around: why can't those who claim to be Christians get along others who think differently?
Just because they claim the name that doesn't mean that they are Christians. Think of the gay priests who claim to be Christians, are they really?
By their fruits ye shall know them. When they lie about you and attack what you believe that's a pretty good clue that they aren't who they say they are. If they really loved God with all their heart, mind and strength and their neighbor as themselves they wouldn't be doing these things. Their doing proves that they don't really love like they ought to. Like the guy who always made sure that he had the biggest flag on the 4th of July--turned out he was a spy for the Russians during the Cold War.
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Yes, but that does not mean that all real Christians are Adventists and just because they disagree with the regular doctrine does not make them fake Christians. But anyway, the purpose of my thread is sorta failing.
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lol, I think I am scaring both progressives and traditionalists, lol.
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You are very scary in that mask. If I send you some blessings will you take it off?
LOL!!!
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SPECTACULAR! (my new favorite word).
I have to wait until they restore my blessings (my account got wiped out when the database went down), but then I'll bless you and bless you GOOD.
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Your purpose may be failing but at least now you can see which side is causing the failure. One side has indicated to disagree with them means your not a Christian and the other side has indicated that there are Christians who don't agree on certain SDA distinctives yet they are still Christians.
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Yes, that does seem to be the impression I am getting. I am a progressive myself.
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As you can see from my profile that I have well over 3,000 posts and I would consider myself to be conservative.
But at the same time I also consider that I have an open mind to truth.
What concerns me here is that mnay people get into attacking each otehr because they do not agree with the doctrine that a certain person believes in.
That is not a good way to approach people at all, regardless of if they agree or not with what you believe.
I would much prefer to look at what we believe and not at what the person says or does not say.
I have over the years found amny friends here who still send me P.M's and to tell you the truth I enjoy receiving them.
So let's put our differences aside and learn to get on with each other in a truly Christian way.
If we can't agree here then how are we ever going to agree in heaven?
The answer is that we will not get there to be able to disagree with other.
But at the same time I also consider that I have an open mind to truth.
What concerns me here is that mnay people get into attacking each otehr because they do not agree with the doctrine that a certain person believes in.
That is not a good way to approach people at all, regardless of if they agree or not with what you believe.
I would much prefer to look at what we believe and not at what the person says or does not say.
I have over the years found amny friends here who still send me P.M's and to tell you the truth I enjoy receiving them.
So let's put our differences aside and learn to get on with each other in a truly Christian way.
If we can't agree here then how are we ever going to agree in heaven?
The answer is that we will not get there to be able to disagree with other.
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He's around. He posted earlier, but I think he's mostly taking a break from posting here for a while.
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There is no unity and there will never be. You might as well try to unite the balanced, moderate Muslims with fundamentalist, Bin Laden Islamics.
At best, we merely tolerate each other and keep to our own churches.
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This I must disagree with. In less populated areas there are no "our own churches." There is one Adventist church in town or in a 70 mile range. And in those setting often times both camps do find ways to get along. And then sometimes they don't. And those churches close.
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I should have specified that what I said was not the staus quo, but, rather, the trend that is happening in more affluent areas.
I would submit that if a person is truly an Evangelical Adventist they will only tolerate the TSDA church setting for so long. And tolerate is a far cry from honestly getting along.
Evangelical SDA's need to be aware that there are options available to them. It may require relocation to a larger city, but that is a small price to pay for enjoying years of church fellowship where you can be free of legalism, judgmentalism and condemnation of your beliefs or worship style preference.
I would submit that if a person is truly an Evangelical Adventist they will only tolerate the TSDA church setting for so long. And tolerate is a far cry from honestly getting along.
Evangelical SDA's need to be aware that there are options available to them. It may require relocation to a larger city, but that is a small price to pay for enjoying years of church fellowship where you can be free of legalism, judgmentalism and condemnation of your beliefs or worship style preference.
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I would call myself an evangelical Adventist except my church is not, unfortunatley. I know that complete peace is impossible, disagreement over religion has caused many wars. I am just asking that maybe we should call a ceasefire for a while. Then we might be able to understand the opposing sides better and not be as combative. P.S. I am not a complete pacifist by any means.
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I am new here - but would like to add my "two cents" at this point... I enjoy the debate online, but hate to see churches that can't tolerate members with different views. I don't believe in the IJ, nor EGW as a prophet, and once in a great while admit to that in a Sabbath School discussion. And the atmosphere in our small church is one of criticism and intolerance for anyone like me. They're more welcoming to non-sda visitors. My son and his wife just received a censure from the small church board here because of a study into and beginning belief in anti-trinitarianism. You would think a small congregation could embrace someone who studys every night and is searching, despite the difference in belief. But instead my son and daughter-in-law got censure, without the members even understanding the difference in belief. They wrote down that the censure was because they didn't believe the Adventist theology - but my kids said they believed the "early" theology regarding the trinity. It's a shame that membership becomes like a club where everyone has to walk in lock-step with each other.
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