Lets read about the firmament

Aman777 · Aug 21, 2018

Chinchilla said:
It does not make sense only when you assume prehistoric man to live at all .

The sons of God (prehistoric people) were created and brought forth from WATER on the 5th Day. In fact, every living creature that moveth was created at that time according to Genesis 1:21. It took more than 3,000 years, in man's time, until today's Science confirmed what God told us in Genesis One. Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/science/last-universal-ancestor.html

You can refute both Scripture AND Science IF you can show that the sons of God (prehistoric people) did NOT move.

Aman777 · Aug 21, 2018

Chinchilla said:
Genesis 1 is easy , taking it literally there are no contradictions or anything like that

Actually, Genesis One is the entire History of God's 6 Day creation of the perfect Heaven, including things which will not happen until Jesus returns. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of FUTURE events at the end of the present 6th Day/Age.

Chinchilla · Aug 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Actually, Genesis One is the entire History of God's 6 Day creation of the perfect Heaven, including things which will not happen until Jesus returns. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of FUTURE events at the end of the present 6th Day/Age.

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Aman777 · Aug 25, 2018

Aman777 said: ↑
Actually, Genesis One is the entire History of God's 6 Day creation of the perfect Heaven, including things which will not happen until Jesus returns. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of FUTURE events at the end of the present 6th Day/Age.

Chinchilla said:
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Your challenge is to tell us WHEN in the past, Humanity (A&E) had dominion or rule over "every living thing that moveth". Genesis 1:28 Also, tell us WHEN in the past, ALL living creatures were Vegetarians. Genesis 1:30

Those who claim that God has already rested/ceased ALL His work of Creation, also CANNOT explain how a sinner can be saved today. IF God had rested from ALL of His work of creation in the beginning, no one could be "created in God's Image" or Spiritually in Christ, today. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 John 14:16 confirm that it takes the work of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to "create" a new Christian.

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them.

The word finished in Hebrew means brought to perfection. When God finishes His creation, it will be perfect, which is in the future. Notice also that ALL the host of heaven is safely in Heaven before God's rest. The last Christian saved is included in the host/inhabitants of Heaven.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested (ceased creating) on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Man's dominion or rule over all living creatures happens AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years. It takes God the Son, the physical Creator, to change Lions and Bears into vegetarians at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Genesis 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7 God's rest, or when He ceases ALL of His creating, cannot and will not happen until the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 is finished or brought to perfection. Amen?

Chinchilla · Aug 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Aman777 said: ↑
Actually, Genesis One is the entire History of God's 6 Day creation of the perfect Heaven, including things which will not happen until Jesus returns. Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of FUTURE events at the end of the present 6th Day/Age.

Your challenge is to tell us WHEN in the past, Humanity (A&E) had dominion or rule over "every living thing that moveth". Genesis 1:28 Also, tell us WHEN in the past, ALL living creatures were Vegetarians. Genesis 1:30

Those who claim that God has already rested/ceased ALL His work of Creation, also CANNOT explain how a sinner can be saved today. IF God had rested from ALL of His work of creation in the beginning, no one could be "created in God's Image" or Spiritually in Christ, today. Genesis 1:27 Genesis 5:1-2 John 14:16 confirm that it takes the work of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to "create" a new Christian.

Gen 2:1 ¶ Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and ALL the host of them.

The word finished in Hebrew means brought to perfection. When God finishes His creation, it will be perfect, which is in the future. Notice also that ALL the host of heaven is safely in Heaven before God's rest. The last Christian saved is included in the host/inhabitants of Heaven.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested (ceased creating) on the seventh day from ALL His work which He had made. Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Man's dominion or rule over all living creatures happens AFTER Jesus returns to rule and reign for a thousand years. It takes God the Son, the physical Creator, to change Lions and Bears into vegetarians at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Genesis 1:30 and Isaiah 11:7 God's rest, or when He ceases ALL of His creating, cannot and will not happen until the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 is finished or brought to perfection. Amen?

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Christ came to restore the perfect world not to make it perfect , it was perfect .
This whole earth and heaven above will burn away with great noise .

Aman777 · Aug 25, 2018

Chinchilla said:
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Christ came to restore the perfect world not to make it perfect , it was perfect .
This whole earth and heaven above will burn away with great noise .

Misunderstanding since you cannot tell us when the prophecy of the end of the present 6th Day took place, in the past. Try again?

Chinchilla · Aug 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Misunderstanding since you cannot tell us when the prophecy of the end of the present 6th Day took place, in the past. Try again?

It is not prophecy .
According to your logic if Christ came to restore things he would restore them prior to being finished so he is comming to make disorder .

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Aman777 · Aug 25, 2018

Chinchilla said:
It is not prophecy .
According to your logic if Christ came to restore things he would restore them prior to being finished so he is comming to make disorder .

According to your logic, there would be no need to "restore". The perfect Heaven, the 3rd Heaven, the object of the creation, will NEVER have to be restored. It will be brought to perfection at the end of the present 6th Day after Jesus changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians. Genesis 1:30 (prophecy) and Isaiah 11:7 (fulfillment of prophecy) You can refute this by posting your Scripture which refutes it.

Chinchilla · Aug 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
According to your logic, there would be no need to "restore". The perfect Heaven, the 3rd Heaven, the object of the creation, will NEVER have to be restored. It will be brought to perfection at the end of the present 6th Day after Jesus changes ALL living creatures into vegetarians. Genesis 1:30 (prophecy) and Isaiah 11:7 (fulfillment of prophecy) You can refute this by posting your Scripture which refutes it.

You don't get the point that no heaven will be restored but it will pass away and there will be new heaven .

Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10-18 King James Version (KJV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Jesus does not restore what was lost by continuation to building the earth , he simply destroy what was corrupted and made new ones from scratch .

Aman777 · Aug 25, 2018

Chinchilla said:
You don't get the point that no heaven will be restored but it will pass away and there will be new heaven .

Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10-18 King James Version (KJV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Jesus does not restore what was lost by continuation to building the earth , he simply destroy what was corrupted and made new ones from scratch .

Amen. You have learned the Truth. The first Heaven/firmament (world that THEN WAS) was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 KJV
The present Heaven/Universe (Heavens and earth WHICH ARE NOW) will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 KJV
The THIRD Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2, KJV the object of the creation, will be filled with ALL of it's host, which includes ALL Christians. Genesis 2:1 It's also called the New Heaven and New Earth in Revelation 21:1. KJV God Bless you

TLK Valentine · Aug 25, 2018

Aman777 said:
Amen. You have learned the Truth. The first Heaven/firmament (world that THEN WAS) was totally destroyed in the flood.

Totally destroyed? Then why do you keep insisting people search the bottom of Lake Van in Turkey?

Chinchilla · Aug 26, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
Totally destroyed? Then why do you keep insisting people search the bottom of Lake Van in Turkey?

what

TLK Valentine · Aug 26, 2018

Chinchilla said:
what

Ask @Aman777 yourself -- quoting him won't do it justice...

Aman777 · Aug 26, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
Totally destroyed? Then why do you keep insisting people search the bottom of Lake Van in Turkey?

Good question. Remember that the firmament was a solid barrier against the water which totally surrounded Adam's small world. Gen 1:6-7 The firmament protected Adam's Earth from being destroyed in that water for more than 20 Billion years, in man's time. Also, the bottom half of the firmament is what's left since the windows on top were opened just before the flood. Adam's entire ecosystem was totally destroyed and dissolved in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago. The firmament is the most valuable Treasure on planet Earth so tell your local scientist or preacher to get busy and find it. God Bless you

TLK Valentine · Aug 26, 2018

Aman777 said:
Good question. Remember that the firmament was a solid barrier against the water which totally surrounded Adam's small world. Gen 1:6-7

As such, it would have to be much larger than Adam's "small" world. As there would be no way for Adam's entire world to fit in or under the lake, neither would the firmament.

The firmament protected Adam's Earth from being destroyed in that water for more than 20 Billion years, in man's time. Also, the bottom half of the firmament is what's left since the windows on top were opened just before the flood. Adam's entire ecosystem was totally destroyed and dissolved in Lake Van, Turkey 11,000 years ago.

That's nice, but what exactly are you looking for?

The firmament is the most valuable Treasure on planet Earth so tell your local scientist or preacher to get busy and find it. God Bless you

The scientists and pastors have laughed at your requests; what makes you think I would have better luck?

Aman777 · Aug 26, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
As such, it would have to be much larger than Adam's "small" world. As there would be no way for Adam's entire world to fit in or under the lake, neither would the firmament.

How big was the Biosphere 2 in the desert? Was it miles in diameter like Adam's. After all, there were only 4 Rivers which all came from one source and the highest elevation was only 22.5 feet on top of it's highest mountain....where the one source would have to be since water runs downhill, even on a flat Earth.

TLK Valentine said:
That's nice, but what exactly are you looking for?

A solid object shaped like a Wok, miles wide, with the windows on top gone and the entire object is under 11k feet of volcanic ash, where several rivers deposit their run off into the enclosed Lake which has no outlet.

TLK Valentine said:
The scientists and pastors have laughed at your requests; what makes you think I would have better luck?

You never know. When they find the most valuable object on planet Earth in the Lake, it be too late for you to find your financier. Just think, you could have been the richest man on Earth, with just a little faith. Amen?

TLK Valentine · Aug 26, 2018

Aman777 said:
How big was the Biosphere 2 in the desert?

Not nearly big enough to hold an entire ecosystem for generations.

Was it miles in diameter like Adam's. After all, there were only 4 Rivers which all came from one source and the highest elevation was only 22.5 feet on top of it's highest mountain....where the one source would have to be since water runs downhill, even on a flat Earth.

Miles in diameter -- that's the closest thing you've come to a detail thus far.

Now -- whatever number of miles you've got floating around in your head, cube it. Remember, I'm pretty sure that every single person, animal and plant is going to want to breathe at some point, so you're going to have to allow for enough air to make that happen.That is the total area you're going to have to cover with your firmament... large, Texas-sized fragments of which should be, according to you, sill be found in and under Lake Van.

And we haven't even begun to address the small detail that you've clearly overlooked: Sunlight -- more specifically, the lack thereof.

A solid object shaped like a Wok, miles wide, with the windows on top gone and the entire object is under 11k feet of volcanic ash, where several rivers deposit their run off into the enclosed Lake which has no outlet.

Solid, and roughly half the size of the Moon... assuming again, that this entire menagerie was meantto breathe... You really think anyone's missed that?

You never know. When they find the most valuable object on planet Earth in the Lake, it be too late for you to find your financier. Just think, you could have been the richest man on Earth, with just a little faith. Amen?

Doesn't answer my question: Why would they believe me when all they do is laugh at you?

Aman777 · Aug 26, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
Not nearly big enough to hold an entire ecosystem for generations.

Doesn't it sound like a self-sufficient Submarine to you? How many people does it take to start a world? By 11k years ago, there were some 1 Million people on planet Earth and only 1700 years of Human descent with modification on Adam's Earth.

TLK Valentine said:
Miles in diameter -- that's the closest thing you've come to a detail thus far.

It has to fit inside Lake Van which is only 75 miles wide. Maybe 50 miles wide?

TLK Valentine said:
Now -- whatever number of miles you've got floating around in your head, cube it. Remember, I'm pretty sure that every single person, animal and plant is going to want to breathe at some point, so you're going to have to allow for enough air to make that happen.That is the total area you're going to have to cover with your firmament... large, Texas-sized fragments of which should be, according to you, sill be found in and under Lake Van.

No. Its all together spread out for miles depending on where it is located in the 75 mile Lake which is also 1500 ft deep. Below the 11k years of volcanic ash is more than enough to make you richer than Trump. It's proof of life from another world and of God.

TLK Valentine said:
And we haven't even begun to address the small detail that you've clearly overlooked: Sunlight -- more specifically, the lack thereof.

Remember the multiverse where Adam's world AND the present world exist. Adam's world was beneath the water of the multiverse and our Cosmos is under it's ground, prepared for burning and burying. This is also physical evidence of the gravitational pull from the 3rd Heaven, which is much larger than our's. Some label it "Dark Energy" because they don't know what causes it.

Jesus provides the Light for the multiverse Rev 21:23 and He is brighter than the noonday Sun Act 9:3 and blinded Saul on the road to Damascus with His Light. Adam's firmament was under water in the multiverse and had windows in the top. Isa 24:18 When they were opened, the firmament filled with water and sank.

TLK Valentine said:
Solid, and roughly half the size of the Moon... assuming again, that this entire menagerie was meant to breathe... You really think anyone's missed that?

It was a completely separate cosmos/universe which was much smaller than ours. Out largest Nuclear Submarines, which are not close to the size of the Ark, are not miles in diameter. You're the scientist. How big would it have to be to be self-sufficient and provide a nursery for Humankind? Any statisticians out there?

TLK Valentine said:
Doesn't answer my question: Why would they believe me when all they do is laugh at you?

Only one laughed and today, he is one of my best friends. He's a retired preacher who helped me get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance back in the 70s. I wore it out until the internet arrived but i still have it. I tell you today since you might just outlive me and when they find the firmament, you could become one of my friends who continue to spread the word that God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

TLK Valentine · Aug 26, 2018

Aman777 said:
Doesn't it sound like a self-sufficient Submarine to you?

No submarine is self-sufficient indefinitely.

How many people does it take to start a world? By 11k years ago, there were some 1 Million people on planet Earth and only 1700 years of Human descent with modification on Adam's Earth.

And how many people were in Adam's biosphere before God deep-sixed it?

It has to fit inside Lake Van which is only 75 miles wide. Maybe 50 miles wide?

Ok, let's go with 50 miles wide... for simplicity's sake, we'll assume a half sphere...

You're still dealing with a firmament approximately 3,927.5 square miles large.... slightly smaller than the state of Connecticut.... all of which made from a magical material which nobody, but nobody, has ever found so much as a sliver of...

No. Its all together spread out for miles depending on where it is located in the 75 mile Lake which is also 1500 ft deep. Below the 11k years of volcanic ash is more than enough to make you richer than Trump. It's proof of life from another world and of God.

4,000 square miles of firmament... and we haven't even discussed its thickness yet... in and under a 1500 foot lake.

Remember the multiverse where Adam's world AND the present world exist. Adam's world was beneath the water of the multiverse and our Cosmos is under it's ground, prepared for burning and burying. This is also physical evidence of the gravitational pull from the 3rd Heaven, which is much larger than our's. Some label it "Dark Energy" because they don't know what causes it.

Jesus provides the Light for the multiverse Rev 21:23 and He is brighter than the noonday Sun Act 9:3 and blinded Saul on the road to Damascus with His Light. Adam's firmament was under water in the multiverse and had windows in the top. Isa 24:18 When they were opened, the firmament filled with water and sank.

Just so we're clear -- that big bright thing you see in the sky every day.... do you call that "the Sun," or "the Son"?

It was a completely separate cosmos/universe which was much smaller than ours. Out largest Nuclear Submarines, which are not close to the size of the Ark, are not miles in diameter. You're the scientist. How big would it have to be to be self-sufficient and provide a nursery for Humankind? Any statisticians out there?

Bigger than 50 miles across.... or are we forgetting that, according to the story, it as a nursery for all life, not just humankind?

Only one laughed and today, he is one of my best friends. He's a retired preacher who helped me get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance back in the 70s. I wore it out until the internet arrived but i still have it. I tell you today since you might just outlive me and when they find the firmament, you could become one of my friends who continue to spread the word that God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

Only one? You're not even trying, are you?

Aman777 · Aug 27, 2018

TLK Valentine said:
Just so we're clear -- that big bright thing you see in the sky every day.... do you call that "the Sun," or "the Son"?

Jesus caused the singularity that produced our world and it was some 9 Billion years BEFORE the Sun appeared. God the Son is responsible for it's creation. John 1:3

TLK Valentine said:
Bigger than 50 miles across.... or are we forgetting that, according to the story, it as a nursery for all life, not just humankind?

Not so, since we are speaking of Adam's small world, which is probably less than 10 miles in diameter and was made Billions of years BEFORE our Sun appeared in the Universe. It consisted largely of common ancestors which Jesus made with His Own Hands. Genesis 2:19 Amen?

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