Let's get some straight answers from Muslims (part 1)

[peaceful soul]

Let's get some straight answers from Muslims.
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Not one Muslim has yet to tell me the answers to these questions (bold):

1. Why didn't Allah send Mohammad directly to the Jews and Christinas and give them the corrected revelation rather than staying in Arabia and spreading Islam?
2. If the main goal of the Qu'ran was to correct Jews and Christinas, why did Allah leave Mohammad with the Arabs? There are no historical accounts of Mohammad, for example, going to Jerusalem. If Mohammad's message was truly to the Jews and Christians, he did a very lousy job at carrying out his orders, IMO.

 

[saladin1970]

answer to
1) why should Allah, it is clear that the message being given in Arabia was sufficient for it to be spread all over the world.
2) Again why only jews and christians, Islam is the final revelation to ALL of mankind, not just jews and christians.

 

[muslim_convert]

Let's get some straight answers from Muslims.





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Not one Muslim has yet to tell me the answers to these questions (bold):

1. Why didn't Allah send Mohammad directly to the Jews and Christinas and give them the corrected revelation rather than staying in Arabia and spreading Islam?
2. If the main goal of the Qu'ran was to correct Jews and Christinas, why did Allah leave Mohammad with the Arabs? There are no historical accounts of Mohammad, for example, going to Jerusalem. If Mohammad's message was truly to the Jews and Christians, he did a very lousy job at carrying out his orders, IMO.

Interesting questions.

Concerning (1), at one level none of us can explain the Will of Allah unless He has decided to reveal it to us.
On the other hand, you have been told that a nation would be born of Ishmael

“As for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.” Genesis 17:20

In this passage God speaks of “blessing” Ishmael, making him fruitful and most importantly describes his nation as “great”.

Now what God describes as “great” many, if not most, Christians and Jews describe as “evil”.

So perhaps Allah has left it to Jews and Christians to decide whether they will assert that Genesis 17:20 is a corruption of their scriptures or come to the eminantly reasonable conclusion that Islam must be the “great nation” to which this passage refers.

concerning (2) there were in fact a number of Jewish tribes in Yathrib/Medina at the time who had moved to the area to await the coming of a Prophet.

Further, the Abyssinian king (who was Christian) gave refuge to a number of Muslims during their persecution of the Muslims in Mecca. The Qur'aishi leaders of Mecca made representations to the King to prevent this, but the King was convinced that they bore the same religion as his when Surah Mariam was recited to him and they were allowed to stay.

Finally, the Prophet did send letters to leaders in the region including those of the Romans and Persia inviting them to Islam. we have the originals of many of these letters.

salaams

 

[Kris_J]

answer to
1) why should Allah, it is clear that the message being given in Arabia was sufficient for it to be spread all over the world.
2) Again why only jews and christians, Islam is the final revelation to ALL of mankind, not just jews and christians.

Do you honestly believe that everyone will eventually begin to learn arabic one day?

I know one arabic word & its sharramu... I forget.

 

[evange]

Do you honestly believe that everyone will eventually begin to learn arabic one day?

I know one arabic word & its sharramu... I forget.

I think I've figured out that "al" means the. Butcorrect me if I'm wrong.

 

[bless_sins]

1. Why didn't Allah send Mohammad directly to the Jews and Christinas and give them the corrected revelation rather than staying in Arabia and spreading Islam?.

Jews and Christians had already been given religions yet both had misused them. Christians esp. because they started worshiping Jesus (who was created by God).

Secondly, Arabs were a small, relatively unkown community. They were known to be barbaric (they buried their daughers), and savages.
Allah wanted to not only to send a religion but also to demostrate, how Islam can change the people drastically.

Also, Missle East has been the cradle of civilization, and (politically ) in the centre of the world, because of the silk road, proximity to India, Europe and Africa etc.

2. If the main goal of the Qu'ran was to correct Jews and Christinas, why did Allah leave Mohammad with the Arabs? .

You've got that worng.
The goal of the Quran is to reach the entire mankind, not just the Jews and Christians.
The OT mentality assumes that Jews are the most important people of this world.
That is not true.
Infact, the Quran teaches us that there are other creatures in other worlds beyond our world.

 

[Islam_mulia]

Let's get some straight answers from Muslims.

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Not one Muslim has yet to tell me the answers to these questions (bold):

1. Why didn't Allah send Mohammad directly to the Jews and Christinas and give them the corrected revelation rather than staying in Arabia and spreading Islam?

Muslims believe that Muhammad (pbuh) was the last Prophet and the message he received from God is to all mankind, not just Jews and Christians.

2. If the main goal of the Qu'ran was to correct Jews and Christinas, why did Allah leave Mohammad with the Arabs? There are no historical accounts of Mohammad, for example, going to Jerusalem. If Mohammad's message was truly to the Jews and Christians, he did a very lousy job at carrying out his orders, IMO.

I appreciate your interest in Islam, but I believe you need to read more about the religion. The Quran was revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) not mainly to correct the Jews or Christians but to lead all mankind to the right path.

Why do you mention Jerusalem? Why not Constantinople?

 

[yaqovzadeek]

Let's get some straight answers from Muslims.


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Not one Muslim has yet to tell me the answers to these questions (bold):

1. Why didn't Allah send Mohammad directly to the Jews and Christinas and give them the corrected revelation rather than staying in Arabia and spreading Islam?
2. If the main goal of the Qu'ran was to correct Jews and Christinas, why did Allah leave Mohammad with the Arabs? There are no historical accounts of Mohammad, for example, going to Jerusalem. If Mohammad's message was truly to the Jews and Christians, he did a very lousy job at carrying out his orders, IMO.

Arabia was full of christians and jews and pagans too.What is today called madina was Called yathirb and was a Jewish stronghold, So was the yemen, Abissinia( nowadays Ethopia ) was christian, The King Negus actually offered support to muslims when they were being persecuted by the pagans of Mecca and the prophet mohamed told his followers to go to abissinia.
They Jews of Yathrib came to See the prophet mohamed in Mecca themselves and asked him to come and make peace between their warring factions, they accepted Islam.The jews of Yemen likewise, they accepted his message becasue they knew he was a messenger of GOD.We are talking of whole nations (whole tribes) here not Just a few individuals.
It seems you are very ignorant of the fact there were Arab Jews too.

Not one Muslim has yet to tell me the answers to these questions :.

This muslims has just taken you on
Peace
Yaqovzadeek
Aka James the Just

 

[Futuwwa]

Let's get some straight answers from Muslims.
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Not one Muslim has yet to tell me the answers to these questions (bold):

1. Why didn't Allah send Mohammad directly to the Jews and Christinas and give them the corrected revelation rather than staying in Arabia and spreading Islam?
2. If the main goal of the Qu'ran was to correct Jews and Christinas, why did Allah leave Mohammad with the Arabs? There are no historical accounts of Mohammad, for example, going to Jerusalem. If Mohammad's message was truly to the Jews and Christians, he did a very lousy job at carrying out his orders, IMO.

Answers:

1: Islam was not just intended to correct Judaism and Christianity from having gone astray. It was intended for the whole world, so Arabia was as good a place as any other.

2: Same as above. He preached as much as he had the time to do.


Plus, if one wants to look at it like that, there's a purely strategical point in starting Islam in Arabia. Had it started in the Christian world, they'd no doubt get terribly persecuted and have little chance for forming an Islamic state, but would have to lurk in catacombs for God knows how long. On the other hand, while establishing an Islamic state in Arabia took many battles against more numerous pagans, it was feasible. As a result, an Islamic state existed already during Muhammed's lifetime, giving the spread of Islam a kickstart. While the Christians had to lurk in catacombs for 300 years, the armies of Islam stood at the gates of Constantinople before the ink of the Quran had dried, making missionary work somewhat easier when there's a state apparatus behind it.

 

[saladin1970]

Do you honestly believe that everyone will eventually begin to learn arabic one day?

I know one arabic word & its sharramu... I forget.

do you honestly believe that everyone is going to learn aramaic and greek?

or what about hebrew?

 

[Kris_J]

do you honestly believe that everyone is going to learn aramaic and greek?

or what about hebrew?

Most of Christians consider the English translations as good as the original.

Aramaic or Greek isn't considered God's favoured language, unlike the Arabic in the Quran. Why else would menstruating women not be allowed to touch Arabic Quran other than that it is closer to Allah than its translations?

 

[Exegete12]

“As for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.” Genesis 17:20
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So perhaps Allah has left it to Jews and Christians to decide whether they will assert that Genesis 17:20 is a corruption of their scriptures or come to the eminantly reasonable conclusion that Islam must be the “great nation” to which this passage refers.
salaams[/FONT]

True! God did make Ishmael a great nation. Bible versions King James, Amplified, New American Standard, New International - all say 'great' nation. Not evil. I don't know why you think we interpret that.

But the great nation is not Islam. Islam is not a nation. I think it was referring to the nation of Persia or Saudi Arabia. 12 princes who are they?

Next verse, verse 21: But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set timein the next year.

 

[peaceful soul]

Thanks for all of the input. I will respond later with comments.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Muslims believe that Muhammad (pbuh) was the last Prophet and the message he received from God is to all mankind, not just Jews and Christians.

The question asked why ARABIA?

Islam was not just intended to correct Judaism and Christianity from having gone astray.

What others are named?

It was intended for the whole world, so Arabia was as good a place as any other.

This is swiftly explaining it away, it doesn't answer why Arabia. If any other was as good as Arabia, then how come heaven's language is only Arabic? If it's inception was in Europe, then what?

 

[saladin1970]

Most of Christians consider the English translations as good as the original.

Aramaic or Greek isn't considered God's favoured language, unlike the Arabic in the Quran. Why else would menstruating women not be allowed to touch Arabic Quran other than that it is closer to Allah than its translations?

and nearly all muslims believe that any translation of the meaning of the quran is sufficient for the bare minimum knowledge to be a muslim (belief in one god and mohammed is his messenger)

 

[peaceful soul]

oroginally posted by saladin1970

answer to
1) why should Allah, it is clear that the message being given in Arabia was sufficient for it to be spread all over the world.

That is not the issue here. The issue is that Mohammad had no revelation from Allah to specifically correct the Jews and Christians who he claimed went astray. Instead, he allowed Mohammad to stay in Arabia to promote Islam. If Allah was so worried about Christains and Jews, then he would have given some provision in the Qu'ran to go and speak to them and get them straight right away instead of waiting for the spread of Islam, hoping that they will eventually catch on. The only way the Jews and Christians of that time would have any clue would have been by having incidental contact with Mohammad.

The Qu'ran would have been more credible had Allah laid the groundwork for the Christians and Jews to have a means of trusting Mohammad and provide them with the corrected revelation in scripture. Don't you think? Is there anywhere in the Qu'ran where Allah tells Mohammad something specific like the following:

Mohammad, raise up and go to the Christians and Jews. Here is what they misunderstood. Tell them that they must return to the practice of the revelation I gave to them. And, here are the scriptures they distorted. I will go before you and show them a sign that I sent you.
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Is there anything remotely like that in the Qu'ran that would help to prove that the Qur'an is actually a revelation connected to Jews and Christians and should be followed instead of the scriptures originally given to them?

Also, Islam is not OT or NT; so, the fact that Islam is universal means nothing to those who God already had given revelations to (according to you). Using your logic, they would have had no reason to convert to Islam since they already had a revelation. All they needed was to practice it correctly.

Christians and Jews should hopefully be able to deduce that it was not Islam that they were supposed to practice since it was revealed later than their revelations. And, in no way did the Qu'ran provide any evidence that they were to accept Islam. All it does is say that Jews and Christians got it wrong and are in error. It does nothing to show the errors and why they happened.

2) Again why only jews and christians, Islam is the final revelation to ALL of mankind, not just jews and christians.

The issue is with Jews and Christians. They are the ones who had false texts and/or understanding according to you and most other Muslims. Allah did not call Mohammad to go to the Jews and Christians so they could get their scriptures corrected and then they could properly practice what was commanded of them.

 

[saladin1970]

oroginally posted by saladin1970



That is not the issue here. The issue is that Mohammad had no revelation from Allah to specifically correct the Jews and Christians who he claimed went astray. Instead, he allowed Mohammad to stay in Arabia to promote Islam. If Allah was so worried about Christains and Jews, then he would have given some provision in the Qu'ran to go and speak to them and get them straight right away instead of waiting for the spread of Islam, hoping that they will eventually catch on. The only way the Jews and Christians of that time would have any clue would have been by having incidental contact with Mohammad.

The Qu'ran would have been more credible had Allah laid the groundwork for the Christians and Jews to have a means of trusting Mohammad and provide them with the corrected revelation in scripture. Don't you think? Is there anywhere in the Qu'ran where Allah tells Mohammad something specific like the following:

Mohammad, raise up and go to the Christians and Jews. Here is what they misunderstood. Tell them that they must return to the practice of the revelation I gave to them. And, here are the scriptures they distorted. I will go before you and show them a sign that I sent you.
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Is there anything remotely like that in the Qu'ran that would help to prove that the Qur'an is actually a revelation connected to Jews and Christians and should be followed instead of the scriptures originally given to them?

Also, Islam is not OT or NT; so, the fact that Islam is universal means nothing to those who God already had given revelations to (according to you). Using your logic, they would have had no reason to convert to Islam since they already had a revelation. All they needed was to practice it correctly.

Christians and Jews should hopefully be able to deduce that it was not Islam that they were supposed to practice since it was revealed later than their revelations. And, in no way did the Qu'ran provide any evidence that they were to accept Islam. All it does is say that Jews and Christians got it wrong and are in error. It does nothing to show the errors and why they happened.



The issue is with Jews and Christians. They are the ones who had false texts and/or understanding according to you and most other Muslims. Allah did not call Mohammad to go to the Jews and Christians so they could get their scriptures corrected and then they could properly practice what was commanded of them.

why specifically for jews and christians??

final revelation for all mankind. There were far more prophets that moses and jesus.

 

[Arthra]

My view is that really there is only one religion of God and that He sends Messengers and Prophets at various times and circumstances at crucial intervals for the betterment of humanity.

Asking why was there a revelation of God sent to Arabia... I can only specualte that Arabia held a key by it's location and potential to be the next stage of civilization.

Previously the great Roman and Persian empires fought over the area for trade and commerce routes. It was an important and key area for trade between Europe and greater Asia.

It also was important to note I think that the past empires and cultures of Rome and Persia were in decline and weakened by constant warfare. So Islam spread through these areas and established a needed order, that's not to say though that there were not abuses of power...just as there were previously under corrupt administrations in these areas so some abuses continued.

Later you had the influx or Turkish and Mongol tribes that also had an impact. Religion generally civilizes and just as the Goths and Visigoths, Vandals and Vikings were civililized in Europe by Christianity so Islam eventually I think raised the cultures of the Turks and Mongols to higher levels.

I'm using generalities here though due to lack of space.

- Art