Lethal injection takes 34 minutes to kill inmate

[Sphere]

What does that have to do with anything? We still put people to death, until recently this included children and mentally retarded people. A higher percentage of our population is in prison than any other country and there is no rehabilitation programs to speak of for any of them. Im sure quite a few people in this country would that we did cut the hands off of thieves or stone people as the death penalty.

Our prison system functions under the idea of rehabilitation, and there are plenty of programs out there. Clearly though, it's not working. Considering the staggering recidivism rates and all. Repeat offenders need to be locked up for life, enough second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh chances for people who don't deserve them in the first place.

 

[CFISNOWHERESYFORUMS]

the constitution HAS been amended. the eigth amendment prohibits cruel & unusual punishment. while current supreme court interpretations of the 8th amendment do not forbid capital punishment, i don't see capital punishment lasting another 30 years.

The 5th Amendment which reads:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Was ratified at the exact same time as the 8th Amendment. (Both are in the Bill of Rights.)

Clearly, without question, that means that capital punishment cannot be considered cruel and unusual . The very same people who wrote the 8th Amendment, also wrote and ratified an amendment at the same time, which spells out the existance of capital punishment.

So again, if you don't like it, you are going to have to amend the Constitution.

 

[Steezie]

You want to do what, just go to step 2, just let him die by suffication?

What is appalling about this if the guy in unconscious?

If you are going to kill me, then please, let it by with a procedure that knocks me out first. Especially if the procedure last only half and hour.

That's not cruel, that's not unusual, but the media will, I'm sure, leave out that fact to convince people it's 'bad'.

Personally I'd just say put a bullet in your head and be done with it.

We are so bloddy SQUEAMISH about capital punishment. I dont get it

 

[paperkate]

People are squeamish about capital punishment because deep down, I believe every single person knows it's WRONG WRONG WRONG! Doing it 'humanely' is merely a means to make people feel slightly less guilty for supporting something that is just unspeakably wrong and has no place whatsoever in a civilised society.

 

[simplicity]

I'm not sure what sort of cheap drugs the state is using. When I had my cat put to sleep, it was pretty much instantaneous. Still it was a dreadful experience. I had heart palpitations for a long time afterwards. I still miss the little guy.

 

[paperkate]

By the way...below is a complete list of the countries in which the death penalty is legal (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html). Every single country thsat values human rights has long since done away with the death penalty. Why is America the 'odd one out' on this list? It is an absolutely shameful disgrace that America cannot join the rest of the civilised world in outlawing this barbric practice. I hope supporters of the death penalty are proud of the company they keep:

• Afghanistan
• Antigua and Barbuda
• Bahamas
• Bahrain
• Bangladesh
• Barbados
• Belarus
• Belize
• Botswana
• Burundi
• Cameroon
• Chad
• China (People's Republic)
• Comoros
• Congo (Democratic Republic)
• Cuba
• Dominica
• Egypt
• Equatorial Guinea
• Eritrea
• Ethiopia
• Gabon
• Ghana
• Guatemala
• Guinea
• Guyana
• India
• Indonesia
• Iran
• Iraq
• Jamaica
• Japan
• Jordan
• Kazakhstan
• Korea, North
• Korea, South
• Kuwait
• Kyrgyzstan
• Laos
• Lebanon
• Lesotho
• Libya
• Malawi
• Malaysia
• Mongolia
• Nigeria
• Oman
• Pakistan
• Palestinian Authority
• Qatar
• Rwanda
• St. Kitts and Nevis
• St. Lucia
• St. Vincent and the Grenadines
• Saudi Arabia
• Sierra Leone
• Singapore
• Somalia
• Sudan
• Swaziland
• Syria
• Taiwan
• Tajikistan
• Tanzania
• Thailand
• Trinidad and Tobago
• Uganda
• United Arab Emirates
• United States
• Uzbekistan
• Vietnam
• Yemen
• Zambia
• Zimbabwe

 

[stray bullet]

By the way...below is a complete list of the countries in which the death penalty is legal (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html). Every single country thsat values human rights has long since done away with the death penalty. Why is America the 'odd one out' on this list? It is an absolutely shameful disgrace that America cannot join the rest of the civilised world in outlawing this barbric practice. I hope supporters of the death penalty are proud of the company they keep:

Do you like knowing someone with a life sentence has nothing to lose?

I'm against using the death penalty on a regular basis for serious crimes, from rape to murder and such, but I'm glad the Federal government has not outlawed it. Many, if not most American states (who are the ones who deal with crime) do not use the death penalty. Some of them do keep it, but almost never use it except in extreme cases. If you notice, even Japan keeps the death penalty around.

Outlawing it is just asking for trouble, really. Using it regularly is too.

 

[stray bullet]

People are squeamish about capital punishment because deep down, I believe every single person knows it's WRONG WRONG WRONG! Doing it 'humanely' is merely a means to make people feel slightly less guilty for supporting something that is just unspeakably wrong and has no place whatsoever in a civilised society.

If I was on a jury, I'd refuse to accept the death penalty as a possible punishment- but if the person escaped from prison and started killing people, or refused to give the location of their victims so they could be rescued, I'd have no problem with it.

Guilt falls on people on both sides of the issue.

 

[cenimo]

Pathetic how there is so much more concern for the criminal than the criminal's victim.

 

[Foolish_Fool]

People are squeamish about capital punishment because deep down, I believe every single person knows it's WRONG WRONG WRONG! Doing it 'humanely' is merely a means to make people feel slightly less guilty for supporting something that is just unspeakably wrong and has no place whatsoever in a civilised society.

Personally I would rather force them into doing something productive rather than simply killing them. Make them actually repay their debt, killing them is too easy. Slave labor, research subject, organ donor, etc...

 

[stray bullet]

Personally I would rather force them into doing something productive rather than simply killing them. Make them actually repay their debt, killing them is too easy. Slave labor, research subject, organ donor, etc...

It'd be nice to be able to use them as an organ donor- but the problem is in how you kill them without damaging the organs.

It would be nice to see mass murderers or serial killers having to die in a humane, but organ-saving way.

 

[pgp_protector]

I wonder if God supports the Death Penalty for crimes.

Goes looking in the new Testament...


Hmm People Dropping Dead just for lying to God, not even killing...

 

[pgp_protector]

Ok. lets look for what some would call cruel punishment..

Hmm burning in everlasting fire. Wonder if we could do that...

 

[paperkate]

Pathetic how there is so much more concern for the criminal than the criminal's victim.

Please show me where anyone in this thread has shown more concern for the criminal than the victim. This is a discussion about the death penalty, not the victims of crime. Please start your own thread if you wish to discuss victim's rights, and I will probably agree with alot you have to say.

I absolutely believe in fair punishment for crimes committed. As an American living in Britain, I am actually of the opinion that the UK is too soft on serious and repeat offenders. HOWEVER, there is absolutely no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent. None whatsoever. Almost every other civilised country in the world sees this. Why can't America? Why can't America see that the death penalty is about a pathetic desire for vengence by the hysteric populace, and not about justice? There is no justice in the death penalty. It is disgusting.

 

[pgp_protector]

Please show me where anyone in this thread has shown more concern for the criminal than the victim. This is a discussion about the death penalty, not the victims of crime. Please start your own thread if you wish to discuss victim's rights, and I will probably agree with alot you have to say.

I absolutely believe in fair punishment for crimes committed. As an American living in Britain, I am actually of the opinion that the UK is too soft on serious and repeat offenders. HOWEVER, there is absolutely no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent. None whatsoever. Almost every other civilised country in the world sees this. Why can't America? Why can't America see that the death penalty is about a pathetic desire for vengence by the hysteric populace, and not about justice? There is no justice in the death penalty. It is disgusting.

Given that people in jail have killed again so life imprisonment doesn't prevent killing.

How many people executed have committed a crime again ?

 

[horuhe00]

Hmm People Dropping Dead just for lying to God, not even killing...

Hmm burning in everlasting fire. Wonder if we could do that...

Would you like us humans to adopt a capital-punishment-for-lying stance? How long would you live before you're killed by the state?

Remember who you are and remember who God is. Do not assume you are at his level. Instead, look for capital punishment in the New Testament given to men by men.

 

[cenimo]

PgP_Protector

I wonder if God supports the Death Penalty for crimes.

Goes looking in the new Testament...

Keep looking then.
http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblestudies/capitalpunishment.htm

You can try this, too:
Capital Punishemtn bible Quiz:
http://www.biblestudygames.com/biblegames/trivia/sgquiz19.htm


Paperkate

Please show me where anyone in this thread has shown more concern for the criminal than the victim.

I haven't seen any concern for the victim whatsoever. I haven't seen it mentioned it took 27 years for this guy to get executed by anyone except the OP.
How about you show me where there's been any concern for, or even mention of, the victim. Without anyone editing one of their own posts, it's just not there.

 

[paperkate]

I haven't seen any concern for the victim whatsoever. I haven't seen it mentioned it took 27 years for this guy to get executed by anyone except the OP.
How about you show me where there's been any concern for, or even mention of, the victim.

This isn't a thread about the victims of crime. You are more than welcome to start a thread if that's what you want to discuss. Again, I repeat that I am in favour of just punishment for crimes commited. But I absolutely do NOT believe that vicitms have a God-given right to see their offenders put to death. Causing the death of another person is not a RIGHT - ever. It is a crime, it is murder, and it is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

 

[Daywolf]

OH NOOoossss! A murderer suffered momentarily as he was being put to death, what barbarians we are! Just think of it, he was held in a prison for nearly 30 years for murdering someone at a cost of about $20,000.00 a year (about $500k awaiting execution) paid by us ebil tax payers. After all, he deserves every penny since it’s probably our fault that we held him in incarceration where he got hepatitis further aggravating his unfair treatment and which prolonged his suffering with the execution.

But yes, it’s all our fault and the liberal judge is right, it’s just not constitutional (which constitution was that?) to do such foul and inhumane things to a convicted murderer. Convicted murderer = someone that is convicted for un-rightly ending someone’s life (e.g. murder, kill, annihilate , snuff out, destroy, slaughter, execute, exterminate, eradicate). How could we do such a barbaric thing to this pooor man whom was so undeserving of this act?!? Have we become the monsters!?! My golly, maybe we should all just march ourselves to prison to make amends for our foul deeds and serve the sentence of a murderer, ourselves, it’s only faaaair.

 

[Nienor]

OH NOOoossss! A murderer suffered momentarily as he was being put to death, what barbarians we are! Just think of it, he was held in a prison for nearly 30 years for murdering someone at a cost of about $20,000.00 a year (about $500k awaiting execution) paid by us ebil tax payers. After all, he deserves every penny since it’s probably our fault that we held him in incarceration where he got hepatitis further aggravating his unfair treatment and which prolonged his suffering with the execution.

But yes, it’s all our fault and the liberal judge is right, it’s just not constitutional (which constitution was that?) to do such foul and inhumane things to a convicted murderer. Convicted murderer = someone that is convicted for un-rightly ending someone’s life (e.g. murder, kill, annihilate , snuff out, destroy, slaughter, execute, exterminate, eradicate). How could we do such a barbaric thing to this pooor man whom was so undeserving of this act?!? Have we become the monsters!?! My golly, maybe we should all just march ourselves to prison to make amends for our foul deeds and serve the sentence of a murderer, ourselves, it’s only faaaair.

Except it's likely he wasn't guilty...