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Let us see how "open minded" you are where doctrine is concerned!!!!

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*waits for a KJVO person to show up :holy:
1611 King James only, suckas. Also, women should NOT be wearing pants. You don't believe in Eternal Security? You go to hell, no questions. You got a problem with that? :p
 
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I'm only responding to keep up with the rest of the thread, since you already know my beliefs and lack thereof. :D




PS. That's Little_Tigress is a smart one. ;)
Yeah, I know what you believe. Heretic. :p

P.S. I agree with you on Little-Tigress being smart. ;)
 
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I, for one, am up in the air about OSAS. It is a concept I'm open to, but I am also open to rebuttals. It's something I'd like to dig in a little deeper before coming to a conclusion.

I'm, of course, always willing to learn new concepts and other people's interpretations. I'm also willing to admit to being wrong sometimes. What I'm not willing to bend on is my core foundation; what makes me who I am/what I've been shown is Truth. I will always believe in love, forgiveness, humility, grace, mercy, righteousness, integrity. What makes religion really difficult a concept to discuss is that it is so personal, spiritual... everyone feels that they know the truth. And that truth has a powerful source. For those who are religious - and even those who are not - the source of their truth is god.. or a close representation of god/something that is revered as the ultimate source of truth. To go against their truth is to go against their god. What god reveals to them means something to them. If it appears that god has enlightened someone to a particular concept, only to have others condemn it.. what would we or better yet, what should we expect as a reaction? People don't take lightly to that. I'm not going to open the dialogue to the concept of absolute truth because I don't wish to de-rail the thread. But, on some level, it is understandable why others cling so much to different components of their religion.. but at the same time, for Christians, many of us forget that we aren't to take a dagger to each others' foundations. There is a correct manner in which to go about rebuking and teaching. It is to be done in love and never in self-righteousness. Sadly, the latter oftentimes wins out.
 
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This is what I believe:

Romans 10:8-10 (New International Version)

8But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,"[a] that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

However, I don't think that by confessing/believing we are given carte blanche to behave however we want to behave. We will still be accountable to living our lives according to the direction/command given to us in the Bible, IMO.
 
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hmmm i can't realy go to far on that topic persay as i would likely make a few people mad... but what i can say is this... We are expected to believe Christ is the only way to heaven and to ask for his forgiveness and to be saved is all we need. Beyond that i see it as whatever happens after happens... but my personal choice is to believe he also wants me to make an effort to be better, but i also believe someone who believed at one point but later stopped believing is still saved.

So in essence i believe what is in the bible is what is. Now with much of it not spelling out every last detail for every last persons' question, that aspect i believe is up for interpretation.

For example in regards to creation i see it as such. God said he created the heavens and the earth, but did not say by what means... does that mean he said poof it's there? No i like to think our God is intelligent enough that he had himself some fun and was creative... maybe he felt bored and decided "BANG! there's the universe foo now what ya gonna do?" in suport that the big bang theory is very plausible along side creationism... also it is highly possible whether he sped time up and did it in a day or you view it as God isn't effected by time and man decided to view it as a day or a day was realy a thousand years that God decided to let things evolve to be created... i see those as all plausible and try to stay open minded.... same with alot of other things in the Bible...
 
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Once you are saved a change occurs within you... and you leave behind your old ways. On the stance of Once saved always saved, I say that there is nothing I could do that could take Jesus down from the cross. Once I accept Him verilly... His work is perfected in my salvation and I can not undue His work.

However, I have to have truly accepted Him. For the people who get churchy and religious for a bit then backslide into a mess worse than before I would question as to whether they were really saved in the first place rather than say they lost salvation.

Jesus tells us in the Bible that none who come into His flock are lost and I take Him at His Word. If one can show me scripture where Jesus says "If you come into my flock you are saved till you mess up, then I boot you out until you come back again" then I'll change my beliefs on once saved always saved :)
 
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So, what about you? Are you willing to compromise where some of your doctrines are concerned? Or do you believe in them so strongly that you will go to the grave believing in them and even condemn others to hell for not believing your doctrine? Now I'm not talking about the fundamentals (resurrection, Trinity, virgin birth, etc etc), I'm talking about those doctrines that are not part of the fundamentals but you believe in strongly. I know that nobody likes to admit when they are wrong (pride, that little devil :p) but if we are to grow in Christ, part of that growth process will have to consist of admitting our doctrinal mistakes and adjusting our theology where it needs adjusting. I'm continually adjusting my theology. I don't know everything and admit that I'm capable of making mistakes. So, let's see how "open minded" you really are. Are you willing to admit where you're wrong and adjust your theology? Or are your beliefs set in stone and nobody will be able to change your mind?

None of my convictions are set in stone. I feel most certain that I have had 2 arms and 2 legs for the 25 years that I've been alive, but even that, in principle, is open to revision. Can someone usher in convincing evidence to the contrary? I've gone through a lot of theological, philosophical, scientific and political revision in the four or so years that I've been paying attention to those areas, and I'm sure I'll go through more. (In fact, I'd be concerned if I didn't. Would my educational progress be stagnating?)

I generally feel more comfortable, btw, speaking in terms of "degrees of feeling of conviction" as opposed to the in-my-opinion-misleadingly-categorical "belief vs. disbelief" that's virtually everywhere the norm. Some of my convictions have risen in strength of feeling over the years with respect to particular doctrines, others have waned. I lot of my opinions have become considerably nuanced, and often I don't like discussing them with other Christians (one of the reasons I don't post much) because they sometimes seem most accurately described by old, "disagreeable" terms. Yet the things that they've come to stand for in my own reflections have been as significant to a living Christianity as ever. If I were to say, for instance, that the term "amoralism" best describes my own view on Christians ethics (and therefore also on ethics per se), many other Christians would quickly raise a condemning finger, however superficial the application of that term might otherwise be to what I think is going on under the surface of our behavior. (I still use terms like "good" and "evil" in meaningful conversations, for what it's worth, just not the way that I used to. And I wouldn't be quick to say "They don't exist"--depending on what you mean by them.)

If you'll forgive a small tangent, I'd mention that I've been feeling for the past couple of years like I've been pulled in two apparently (but not actually!) diametrically-opposed directions. On the one hand personal and familial experience has strengthened my convictions in the Trinity and the Incarnation. On the other hand rapier-like books written by extremely well-educated atheists and liberal Christians have smashed a lot of the things I thought (perhaps naively) were securely established. I no longer believe in inerrancy, I no longer believe in Creation without evolution, etc. But the interesting fact of the matter is that I don't feel conflicted or let down by these revisions. In fact, both the interest and excitement of my own Christianity have grown exponentially. It seems between the two falsely-dichotomous sides of 'Religion' and 'Science' lays a valley rich with intellectual opportunity, a place of profound mystery. I look forward to grappling with the complexities of a picture that's turned out to be bigger than what we once all thought.

All of these things I feel very strongly about. However, despite my strong belief in these things, I admit the possiblility that I might be wrong about them. With sufficient evidence being shown to me in an attitude of love, I can change my mind about any of those beliefs (even evolution).

If you're interested I'd recommend Why Evolution is True by Jerry Coyne. It's the best introduction to the subject, and it's flatly fascinating. I think anyone who didn't come to the book with a built-in distaste for the subject would be thoroughly caught up in its tales. The fact alone that human embryos grow (and reabsorb) two separate pairs of kidneys in sequence, namely fish-like kidneys and reptilian-like kidneys, before building a third, permanent pair fit for human life ought to give any reasonable skeptic pause [source: Coyne's book]. There doesn't seem too distinct an advantage, if I can be facetious, to "divinely design" metabolic waste into the embryological development plan of any species. Well, maybe if you didn't like that species very much. ;)

[Disclaimer: I do believe in "Divine Design," but I don't think the above feature of our embryology qualifies for it. I think that's rather a sterling example of what we'd expect from that often-disinterested Tinkerer we call natural selection.]
 
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try taking a hacksaw to those limbs that may or may not exist and then decide what you believe on the matter :p

I'm more fond of chainsaws myself.

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