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"In The Beginning" The Creator, The Father of ALL
said, "Let There Be Light, and there was Light"

"Let There Be Light"

"The Beginning of the Creation of GOD"

And Revelations 3:14 testifies that The Messiah
was "The Beginning of the Creation of GOD
(Father of All)"! And The Messiah testified that
His GOD and Father(Creator) is The GOD and
Father(Creator) of His Brethren.

It is very important to both know and experience
The Messiah as He was and is, and also to know
the "glory He had with Our Father" before He was
born in "the likeness of sinful flesh".

Frst, let me simply state that i believe that the
"catholic" and "christian" systems of religious
theo(ry)logy are Anti-Messiah for they "imag"ine
a "christ" who is either one head of a three-headed
pagan "god", or is "god and father", or is an
exalted messenger(angel),or is but a prophet.

It is needful to believe that The Messiah was, is
and always will be "The Son of The Living GOD"
and that there is but "One GOD, Father of ALL".
The Messiah testified that The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL, was His GOD and His Father, and
was also The GOD and Father of His Brethren.

..."Let There Be Light"...

The Messiah simply testified in John 17:5 "And
now, O Father, glorify Me with YOUR own self
with the glory that I had with YOU before the
world began".

Prior to that testimony The Messiah testified in
John 12:35-36,"Yet a little while is The Light with
you. Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
comes upon you: for he that walks in darkness does
not know where he goes. While you have Light,
believe in The Light, that you may be the children
of Light.""

And the apostle John testified: "In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and
the Word was(not is) GOD. The same was in the
beginning with GOD. All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made that was
made. In Him was life; and the life was the Light
of men. And The Light shined in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not. There was a man
sent from GOD, whose name was John. The same
came for a witness, to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through Him might believe. He(John
the baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to
bear witness of that Light(The Messia). He was the
True Light, which enlightens every man that comes
into the world. He(The Messiah) was in the world,
and the world was made by Him, and the world
knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own
received Him not. But as many as received Him, to
them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,
even to them that believe on His name: Which were
born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of The Only True GOD."

And the apostle John testified in John 3:17-21:
"For Our Father sent not his Son into the world to
condemn the world; but that the world through Him
might be saved. He that believes on Him is not
condemned: but he that believes not is condemned
already, because he has not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of Our Father. And this
is the condemnation, that Light is come into the
world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil. For every one
that does evil hates The Light, neither comes to
The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that does Truth comes to The Light(The
Messiah), that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in Our Father."

In John 12:34 the people asked, "who is this Son
of man? Then in John 12:35-36, "The Messiah
answered, yet a little while is The Light with you.
Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
come upon you: for he that walks in darkness
does not know where he goes. While you have
Light, believe in The Light, that you may be the
children of Light. The Messiah spoke these things,
and departed, and hid Himself from them."

Simply, "in the beginning" The Only True GOD
spoke The Word, "Let There Be Light".......
and there was Light! Certainly that was not
"natural" light for "natural" light, the sun, moon,
and stars were not created until the "fourth day".

"In the beginning", "The First Day", The One GOD,
Father of All created "The Light", without which
Creation Life, as we now know and experience it,
could not have been.

The First Day, The Messiah, "The beginning of the
Creation of GOD(HE WHO is The Only True GOD
and Father of ALL)"! And "The Light which
enlightens every man born into the world", was
born as a child destined to be The Messiah.

The Messiah, "The Light of the world".

The Messiah, "The firstborn of all Creation".

The Messiah,"The firstborn among many brethren".

The Messiah, "The firstborn from among the dead".

The Messiah, "A servant of The Only True GOD".

Once again: "in the beginning" Our Father spoke:
"Let there be Light, and there was Light"!

The Messiah, "The Beginning of the Creation of
GOD", "the firstborn of all Creation".

HalleluYAH!

The Messiah, Created by The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL!

The Messiah, "The Light of the world"!

And The Messiah, "The Lamb of GOD," is
The Light of The New Heavenly Jerusalem.

Sadly, those of this world yet love darkness ;-(
And they will abide in that which they loved
forever ;-(

Sadder yet, religious systems of this world
such as "catholicism", "christianity", "judaism",
"islam",.etc., have so perverted The Testimonies,
that today, as in the yesterdays gone by, "The
Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of their
theo(ry)logical, heretical doctrines that are of
men, and especially those theo(ry)logical
doctrines which seek to define The Only True
GOD, Father(Creator) of All.

All such doctrines are but the product of
mankind's "imag"ination and mankind's
"imag"ination is responsible for the destruction
and perversion of Creation(earth, air, water,
creatures, Truth, Love, Peace, Hope, .etc.)

Yes, sadly ;-( Creation is being destroyed by
self-willed men who could care less about that
which is of Truth(what is), and care even less
about those things which they can not compre-
hend apart from their natural senses and mental
processes ;-(

And Truth testifies, The Creator "will destroy
those who destroy the earth(HIS Creation)"
(Rev 11:18).

Sadly, in this wicked world, those who seek profit
will naturally overcome those who do not ;-(

Yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!

For Miracles do happen and Faith rejoices against
theo(ry)logy(logic) and profit(greed)!

Hope is there would be those who experience
The Miracle that is "receiving a love of
The Truth" for they will "see" "The Light".

And they will receive peace, in spite of the
dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world, for
they will clearly "see" this world and it's
systems of religion as they are, and not as
"imag"inative humans would have us believe
them to be.

They will clearly "see" that "The WHOLE world
is under the control of the evil one" and that
this world's systems of theo(ry)logical religion
are all Anti-Messiah(Anti-Light), indeed and
Truth....... Francisco
 

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You might want to have a read of the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.. Jesus IS God.. He is part of the three essences of one triune being. Consider the Hebrew word- 'Eloheim'.. which is used for God in teh Old Testament..

this is a plural word.. in the lexicons it refers to more than two.
God refers to Himself as US in the old Testament in Genesis when He was creating things.. but is defined as one.

Now Jesus says.. I and the Father are one... and also says.. if you knew the Father you would know Me.. and He says I AM.. which is a direct reference to when God was talking to Moses at the burning bush.. He is telling the people about to crucify Him.. I am more than a prophet.. I AM God.. the son part of the one triune being.

This is not paganism.. because there are not three Gods! These are three essences of the one being..

we are like this! We have a body mind and soul
Water is like this-- it can be ice, steam, or liquid
light is like this! When put thru a prism it has many colours... but all variants of the same three base colours.

So God the Father... God the Son.. and God the Holy Spirit.. three-in-one.. triune being.

they are co-equal.. and all equally God.

once again.. check out the Case for Christ.. by Lee Strobel
 
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You might want to have a read of the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel.. Jesus IS God.. He is part of the three essences of one triune being. Consider the Hebrew word- 'Eloheim'.. which is used for God in teh Old Testament..

this is a plural word.. in the lexicons it refers to more than two.
God refers to Himself as US in the old Testament in Genesis when He was creating things.. but is defined as one.

Now Jesus says.. I and the Father are one... and also says.. if you knew the Father you would know Me.. and He says I AM.. which is a direct reference to when God was talking to Moses at the burning bush.. He is telling the people about to crucify Him.. I am more than a prophet.. I AM God.. the son part of the one triune being.

This is not paganism.. because there are not three Gods! These are three essences of the one being..

we are like this! We have a body mind and soul
Water is like this-- it can be ice, steam, or liquid
light is like this! When put thru a prism it has many colours... but all variants of the same three base colours.

So God the Father... God the Son.. and God the Holy Spirit.. three-in-one.. triune being.

they are co-equal.. and all equally God.

once again.. check out the Case for Christ.. by Lee Strobel

apparently you have chosen to follow mankind's "imag"ination which leads
one on "the broad way to destruction" ;-(

as for me i choose to follow The Messiah on The Way to The Truth of
The Life!

there is A Spirit WHO reveals all things.......period.......

A Spirit WHO "reveals all things" unto those who "WAIT. WAIT i say,
upon The Only True GOD", HE WHO is Spirit!

it is well to remember that The Messiah testified of His GOD and Father,
HE WHO is also The GOD and Father of The Messiah's Brethren! and that
The Messiah declared His GOD and Father to be The Only True GOD! and
so it is, that when The Messiah bears witness to "GOD", He is bearing
witness to The Only True GOD, Father of ALL!

The Messiah testified, "The Only True GOD is Spirit and they that would
worship HIM must worship HIM in Spirit and Truth"!

then The Messiah testified, after HIS GOD and Father raised Him from
among the dead, "touch Me and see for A Spirit has not flesh and bone
and you see I have".......period.......

and "as the disciples watched, The Messiah was lifted up, and a cloud
removed Him from their sight" as He bodily ascended into Heaven."

Elijah! He was also lifted up!

and Enoch? "By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not
experience death; he could not be found, because The Only True GOD
had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as
one who pleased The Only True GOD!"

so Hope IS Alive indeed and Truth!

for Miracles do happen

hope is there would be those experience The Miracle that is receiving "a
love of The Truth" for they will "see" "The Light" that is The Messiah!

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(religion) that is of this wicked world, for
"the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"....... francisco
 
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this ain't man's traditions! It is sound interpretation of scripture in context! Jesus didn't expressly say I am God to people.. because He knew He would have been killed then and there before He had begun His work in full. He still revealed that He was God in human flesh thru His knowledge of the scriptures.. His authority to forgive sin.. and the way He did His miracles..

His deity is in teh context of teh verses.. obvious and apparent! Not man's tradition.. man's tradition will say Jesus was just a man.. not even Son of God.. or will say that His sacrifice wasn't enough and we must do good works to maintain our salvation. Saying Jesus is God.. that is what the disciples said! And the earliest churches.. that isn't man's tradition!

Anyway.. this could be become and argument.. so I guess we will have to agree to disagree :)
 
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no argument, just Truth, and Truth is The Messiah had a GOD, WHOM The
Messiah testified was "The Only True GOD and His Father(Creator)". and
The Messiah testified that "His GOD and Father(Creator) was The GOD and
Father(Creator) of His Brethren", "The Only True GOD, Father of ALL"!

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(theo'ry'logy) that is of this world and it's
systems of religion for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil
one" indeed and Truth....... francisco
 
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Elderchild, I am trying to understand where you are coming from...

are you a Messianic Jew? Or Jehovahs Witness?

Because I know a few Messianic Jews who do not see Jesus as God.. I don't really know how they come to this conclusion.. I guess they don't want to let go of Judaism... want to have both Jesus and the system of Judaism.

As for wondering whether you are Jehovahs witness.... they will say Jesus is the son of God.. but not God..

so where would you place yourself?
 
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Elderchild, I am trying to understand where you are coming from...

are you a Messianic Jew? Or Jehovahs Witness?

Because I know a few Messianic Jews who do not see Jesus as God.. I don't really know how they come to this conclusion.. I guess they don't want to let go of Judaism... want to have both Jesus and the system of Judaism.

As for wondering whether you are Jehovahs witness.... they will say Jesus is the son of God.. but not God..

so where would you place yourself?

simply, i believe religion to be Anti-Messiah.......period.......

where do i place myself? i do not, for i trust that my Father, HE will
have me where HE wants me.

i do know that i am a Child of The Light that is Our Father, just as
The Messiah is also a Child(Son) of The Light that is Our Father.

The Messiah is the only begotten Son, yet as an adopted Child,
i am a Son nonetheless.

All Thanks And Praise Be Unto Our Father!

as for the jews? once again, religion is Anti-Messiah.......

they are blinded ;-( for they walk in the darkness of that which
"waxed old" and did indeed "vanish away" with the destruction
of the earthly kingdom in old jerusalem!

NEWNESS IS! citizenship(Life) is of and in Heaven!

HalleluYAH!

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(darkness) that is of this wicked
world, for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one"
indeed and Truth....... francisco
 
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it's not unique...
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the ones called anabaptists many centuries said likewise....
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as did the apostles, disciples, both Jews and gentiles believers.
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stobel just continues in the deception of the enemy... (maybe not wittingly, just as I once thought as I was raised, but didn't know until Yhvh opened mine eyes out of sheer grace - all of man's religion is wrong)
 
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apparently you have chosen to follow mankind's "imag"ination which leads
one on "the broad way to destruction" ;-(


I don't mean this to sound rude, I would like a thoughtful answer to this;
how do you know your beliefs are not your own imaginings?

I find the triune God revealed in the Bible to be the hardest of all religions to understand and thus, in addition to many other proofs, find the Word who was with God and was God to be the most likely to be correct, for God is certainly going to be of a nature that is not wholly comprehensible to my finite mind.
 
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I don't mean this to sound rude, I would like a thoughtful answer to this;
how do you know your beliefs are not your own imaginings?

I find the triune God revealed in the Bible to be the hardest of all religions to understand and thus, in addition to many other proofs, find the Word who was with God and was God to be the most likely to be correct, for God is certainly going to be of a nature that is not wholly comprehensible to my finite mind.

That's an interesitng thought. The seeming paradoxes and even contradictions of the scriptures affirm the authenticity of their witness. A work of fiction or a pure fabrication would be much "better", much less ambiguous.
 
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it is the hardest to understand because it contradicts the truth but many many systems(almost all) have been set up to make it be taught anyway.
are you saying an infinite God would be easy to be understood by a finite creature?

What I meant wasn't that it was nonsensical in a cool way, but that I could only get a faint glimmer of understanding, a sort of "I can't quite understand it, but it feels right and it fits the evidence"
 
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I don't mean this to sound rude, I would like a thoughtful answer to this;
how do you know your beliefs are not your own imaginings?

Do you think because it feels right?

p.s. it doesn't fit the truth. the 'evidence' in english is not just unreliable, but also ....

well, ask the Jews.
 
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I don't mean this to sound rude, I would like a thoughtful answer to this;
how do you know your beliefs are not your own imaginings?

Do you think because it feels right?

p.s. it doesn't fit the truth. the 'evidence' in english is not just unreliable, but also ....

well, ask the Jews.

well done
thank you, turnabout is fair play and I hope you mean it as much as I did

first, I see a fundamental agreement of the OT and NT
second, there are many almost contradictions that I have seen and caused me serious concern and prayer, but they all resolved themselves in either simple solutions, or a beautiful subtlety that increased the depth of meaning
third and most important, I can see no other plausible explanation of the empty tomb than Jesus' bodily resurrection

I am fully willing to expand any of these and/or discuss them
 
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Shalom, naturally, in Yahshua for all who love the Truth.
The Truth has been always subject to attack and censorship by the leaders in society, whether religious, civic, educational, politico, medico or whatever.
As Yahshua said"the WHOLE WORLD lies in the hands of the wicked one"...
so few realize this means everyone they grew up trusting, very very few exceptions.
and it means the internet also.... 99 out of 100 websites are ........
and the forum, even christian forums, on the internet, are suspect.
Since Yahshua said "the WHOLE WORLD" then it is best and becomes obvious later that everyone is a servant of darkness, every leader, every forum, until they shine the light of truth AND at the same time don't try to prevent the light of truth, Yahshua.
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tosety?, you are new and you are different than any other poster practically that I've read in the last 3 years and thousands of posts and dozens of threads. No one else has indicated that they want to learn anything from anyone, not from anyone on the forums on the internet. No one. there is simply no one wanting to change from what they know already.
don't let the forum or the internet or any group local or national .. .. .. ..
well, just obey Yahshua, trusting Him ONLY, obediently, and ABBA ELOHIM HIMSELF will teach you the truth about EVERYTHING. (may take His Own sweet time to do it, like 30 to 70 more years, or, who knows, 3 seconds :) )...
you'll have to email me for much conversation if you want. I don't use pms nor chatrooms. naturally, watch out for spam and so forth in emails = test everything, whether forum or church or politico or whatever - test everything, stay always everyday all the time abiding in Yhvh's word and in joyful union with Him in Yahshua.
 
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tosety?, you are new and you are different than any other poster practically that I've read in the last 3 years and thousands of posts and dozens of threads. No one else has indicated that they want to learn anything from anyone, not from anyone on the forums on the internet. No one. there is simply no one wanting to change from what they know already.

thank you for those kind words, I've reached that point from being convicted of my own evil heart (Jeremiah 17:9), a thirst for the truth, and a recognition that people aren't going to be open to changing their minds unless you demonstrate that you are willing to listen to them
 
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