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Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another ° men; with men working that which is unseemly, and, receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. .

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Men and woman cannot be separated. Homesexuals, lesbians, both along with many others will be outside the New Jerusalem.
 
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J.A.I said:
Sometimes it takes common sense... not being a smartiepants.. :) But if God has an issue with men being gay, he would just as well have an issue with women being gay.
i definitely agree. but...
i was recently witnessing to a lesbian woman and she maintains it is not wrong. her viewpoint is that romans 1:26 still does not clearly say it is wrong. it just points to a fact that even women were being homosexual. and true it is against nature but doesn't say it was against god. also she points to leviticus 18:22 and says that homosexuality among men is wrong. then the following verse says men laying with animals is wrong. then the following verse says women laying with animals is wrong. before the third one that says women laying with animals is wrong would be the appropriate place to forbid women being with women. for me that was kinda tough to argue. don't get me wrong, i still agree that all homosexuality is wrong, but i am curious to see what kind of scriptural rebuttles you all have to that. there's plenty people here much smarter than me about these things. and i am hoping someone will answer me on this with scripture so that i can show her.
 
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i definitely agree. but...
i was recently witnessing to a lesbian woman and she maintains it is not wrong. her viewpoint is that romans 1:26 still does not clearly say it is wrong. it just points to a fact that even women were being homosexual. and true it is against nature but doesn't say it was against god. also she points to leviticus 18:22 and says that homosexuality among men is wrong. then the following verse says men laying with animals is wrong. then the following verse says women laying with animals is wrong. before the third one that says women laying with animals is wrong would be the appropriate place to forbid women being with women. for me that was kinda tough to argue. don't get me wrong, i still agree that all homosexuality is wrong, but i am curious to see what kind of scriptural rebuttles you all have to that. there's plenty people here much smarter than me about these things. and i am hoping someone will answer me on this with scripture so that i can show her.

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another ° men; with men working that which is unseemly, and, receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. .

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

2 Timothy 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,



The Scripture puts men and women in the same boat. Both will go down the tube for doing the same thing. This woman in question wants to keep on sinning. She wants to hang onto her sin.

Under those circumstances nothing will convince her of what she is doing is wrong.
 
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Symes said:



The Scripture puts men and women in the same boat. Both will go down the tube for doing the same thing. This woman in question wants to keep on sinning. She wants to hang onto her sin.

Under those circumstances nothing will convince her of what she is doing is wrong.

Amen.
 
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This lesbian woman is attempting to rationalize her immoral behavior and it is your duty to take her to task. By this I do not mean judge her but ask her if she is splitting hairs and if she truly in her heart thinks God would truly approve of this lesbian relationship when God clearly states men lying with men is detestable to him. Would it also not follow that women lying with women would also be the same detestable behavior?

You need to ask her to be honest with herself and examine what she is doing if she truly beleives the Bible as ultimate authority in her life.
 
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To quote a recent sermon from my pastor:

"If you're stuck in homosexuality or lesbianism, understand that I didn't come to beat you. My prayer is that you get delivered. My prayer is that you get deliverance because that is not a lifestyle that God condones. Matter of fact, God said it's an abomination. It literally questions the creativeness of God. It brings His authority into question. It accuses God of making a mistake. And if your God can make a mistake, He's not a God at all. It brings into question His Sovereignty. It brings into question His authority. It brings into question His power. It brings into question all that we depend on Him to be because He needs to be all of that. He needs to be powerful. He needs to be unchangeable. He needs to have utmost authority because if He doesn't, our faith is in vain. The fact of the matter is, homosexuality and lesbianism is an insult to our God, and if you have found yourself practicing either/or at some point in your life, I pray, beloved, that you find deliverance. If not tonight, soon."
 
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To quote a recent sermon from my pastor:

"If you're stuck in homosexuality or lesbianism, understand that I didn't come to beat you. My prayer is that you get delivered. My prayer is that you get deliverance because that is not a lifestyle that God condones. Matter of fact, God said it's an abomination. It literally questions the creativeness of God. It brings His authority into question. It accuses God of making a mistake. And if your God can make a mistake, He's not a God at all. It brings into question His Sovereignty. It brings into question His authority. It brings into question His power. It brings into question all that we depend on Him to be because He needs to be all of that. He needs to be powerful. He needs to be unchangeable. He needs to have utmost authority because if He doesn't, our faith is in vain. The fact of the matter is, homosexuality and lesbianism is an insult to our God, and if you have found yourself practicing either/or at some point in your life, I pray, beloved, that you find deliverance. If not tonight, soon."


Go,

This lesbian woman is attempting to rationalize her immoral behavior and it is your duty to take her to task. By this I do not mean judge her but ask her if she is splitting hairs and if she truly in her heart thinks God would truly approve of this lesbian relationship when God clearly states men lying with men is detestable to him. Would it also not follow that women lying with women would also be the same detestable behavior?

You need to ask her to be honest with herself and examine what she is doing if she truly beleives the Bible as ultimate authority in her life.


Both replies are right.


 
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The issue of homosexuality and lesbianism is something Christians must deal with. We all know how powerful our sexual desires can be. One of advertising's favorite statements is "sex sells". It does, though it is not what God likes. Our desires often become sinful, and these desires can become more perverted as we try to find a way to heighten the sensual feelings we experience. This is one reason why homosexual tendencies persist (not to mention beastiality, pedaphilia, and other horible (sinful) fetishes). In the search for pleasure, humans have taken some twisted paths all of which lead to destruction.

God made man, He said that it was not good for man to be alone, so He created woman. We learn that both leave father and mother to be mates, to love one another, and to raise children. All this is scripture. Nature displays the role of males and females just as God expects humans to behave.

The speaker at services recently posed a question to the congregation. He said, we get so unhappy with gays and lesbians for their lifestyles, but we forget about those committing adultry, fornication, theft, murders, etc. These are just as wrong, as no sin is greater than another. We must be against all wrong and try to live for God.
 
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The speaker at services recently posed a question to the congregation. He said, we get so unhappy with gays and lesbians for their lifestyles, but we forget about those committing adultry, fornication, theft, murders, etc. These are just as wrong, as no sin is greater than another. We must be against all wrong and try to live for God.
The 10th commandemnt which says not to covet is just as important as any of the others.
 
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gom said:
i definitely agree. but...
i was recently witnessing to a lesbian woman and she maintains it is not wrong. her viewpoint is that romans 1:26 still does not clearly say it is wrong. it just points to a fact that even women were being homosexual. and true it is against nature but doesn't say it was against god. also she points to leviticus 18:22 and says that homosexuality among men is wrong. then the following verse says men laying with animals is wrong. then the following verse says women laying with animals is wrong. before the third one that says women laying with animals is wrong would be the appropriate place to forbid women being with women. for me that was kinda tough to argue. don't get me wrong, i still agree that all homosexuality is wrong, but i am curious to see what kind of scriptural rebuttles you all have to that. there's plenty people here much smarter than me about these things. and i am hoping someone will answer me on this with scripture so that i can show her.
Did you ask her about the "due penalty" in Rom 1:28. If it wasnt wrong, whats the penalty for?
 
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49erfan said:
Leviticus 18:22 says "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

If you read this as a literal staement, it doesn't involve lesbians.

Where does the Bible state or even suggest that lesbian relationships are wrong?
Hi 49erfan,

I think that the lesbian act is covered in acts of sodomy, which includes both anal and oral intercourse. However, this act is also listed as reprobate in Romans Chapter 1, which says in verses 26-27:

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

Here, the act of lesbianism is compared with homosexuality and the Bible's language regarding the legitimacy of such acts is plain in the text itself.

Hope this helps!
 
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