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i guess there are sever issues to address... hmm. it has been a while since i posted this, since, i have come out to my parents as a lesbian, or rather, to my mother and stepfather. my mother was, as i expected, not very accepting. she says she loves me regardless, and that she will pray for me and she now has me going to these christian homosexual recovery class things, which i think is totally wrong, they speak of it as if it were crime, and none of the people there, though many of them obviously looking for help, seem happy or even like it is really what they want to or should be doing. As far as the comment about me believing in all of the bible, and how it views homosexuality as sinful, i do believe and follow most of the bible. however, as with most everything, there are some things i disagree with, not to say that I am not WRONG for doing this, but there are many points in several different issues where my opinions differ from that of the average christian. For the most part i have chosen to follow christ, and i will continue to love him and believe in him. Though, I must admit, at this point, there are several things I am not yet willing to conform to. At my age, I have several years of what should be fun and good times ahead of me, why should I try to complicate it?
 
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SnoopyDances said:
my mother was, as i expected, not very accepting. she says she loves me regardless, and that she will pray for me and she now has me going to these christian homosexual recovery class things, which i think is totally wrong, they speak of it as if it were crime, and none of the people there, though many of them obviously looking for help, seem happy or even like it is really what they want to or should be doing.
Though I can understand your mother, personally I think it is often detrimental to "force" someone into councelling or therapy. It must feel like punishment to many of them.

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As far as the comment about me believing in all of the bible, and how it views homosexuality as sinful, i do believe and follow most of the bible. however, as with most everything, there are some things i disagree with, not to say that I am not WRONG for doing this, but there are many points in several different issues where my opinions differ from that of the average christian. For the most part i have chosen to follow christ, and i will continue to love him and believe in him. Though, I must admit, at this point, there are several things I am not yet willing to conform to. At my age, I have several years of what should be fun and good times ahead of me, why should I try to complicate it?
Many think, act and react like you. But the problem is that whatever we do today or in the present does have an effect in the near or further future (and I am not talking about eternal life right now). I, for example, am very aware that many of the complications and difficulties I am facing now could have been avoided, might be non-exisiting, if I had chosen to address the issues then instead of choosing not to complicate my life and pursuit my own happiness.

I am not saying there is no point of return, whatever direction you choose now will be the final one ... but I am saying that the complication you are avoiding now might come back in duplicate if not triplicate lateron.

I notice I am sounding negative and discouraging, something I really don't want to ... because I do believe that you made a wonderful decision: to follow Jesus Christ and to believe in Him.
 
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Lael_Rapier said:
I agree with you about it being a very confusing issue, especially to the person going through it. I believe it is because this goes beyond a lot of sins in that it feels like it is engrained in your very being, that it is genetic and unhealable. I believed as such and it is no wonder why. You never hear stories about people being healed of homosexuality. Perhaps it is due to the Liberal media that shuns the Faith and embraces sin in all forms. They couldn't be further from the truth, though - you see, there is nothing too hard or impossible for the Lord. The evil one - the father of lies - would like more than anything for people to be confused. He uses guilt, he makes you feel ashamed, he breaks you down in your sin. He would also love it if through all this, the person decided to take their life, denying God the glory of salvation in Christ.

It is not beyond God! It is beyond our understanding how gracious and loving He is toward us. I am walking proof that it can be removed from your life. Aside from that, what does it matter about the rest of your life, so long as you are in the loving hands of Christ? There is no deeper love or fulfillment in that.

I pray that my words help people to understand that.

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Thank you, it most certainly has helped me! Some time ago I had a discussion about this on a different board. People were kind and understanding but none offered any kind of hope in that all agreed it cannot be cured.

It crushed me because it really did not leave me with any hope or consolation regarding someone I do care about. I had been looking for someone who could testify that it is possible ... yes, I know my faith in God should be such that I don't need a personal testimony but alas, my faith is not what it should be.

So, thanks ... this is what I call a Christmas present.
 
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Lord Jesus Christ did not speak about homosexuality/lesbianism in the Bible. Apostle Paul spoke about it and condemned it as a sin.

Lord Jesus Christ did not condemn the women caught in adultery. But, He forgave her and told her to go and sin no more.

Practically speaking, since you started at the age of 10, its going to be very difficult for you to overcome this habit. Because, it would have already become a strong habit in you.

Repent sincerely before God and ask Him forgiveness of all your past sins. Invite Lord Jesus Christ to come into your heart and ask Him to cleanse your heart by His precious sinless blood. Then, ask Him to help you overcome your sins and bad habits. Then, go on to live a life pleasing to Him on earth until the end of your life. You may not be able to overcome your lesbian habit in a day (unless something miraculous happens). But, do not be discouraged. God does not reject you. Because lesbianism is a sin like other sins -- fornication, adultery, hatred, jealousy, hypocrisy, pride, telling lies, back-biting, judging etc. Every christian is falling now and then into one or the other sin every day right from the time he/she is born-again. And God still is bestowing His abundant mercy, grace and blessings upon us because God knows that we are weak. So, be encouraged by this fact.

Finally, keep on trying till the end of your life on earth to overcome being a lesbian and i think its going to be ok. You will still be given entrance to heaven after your death even if you were not completely able to overcome this habit because God is more concerned about your heart relationship with Him. Some of the churches or christians may despise you. But, let me say that if you have asked forgiveness of sins and decided to live a life pleasing to God then God gives you equal preference. Once you repent and decide to start a new life with God, you need not be over-frank to others and let them know that you have been a lesbian and that you are finding it difficult to overcome that habit. You can be frank with only those christians who sympathise or are tolerant towards lesbianism. Forget about what people think about you but be concerned only what God is going to think about you.

A christian is one who does not wantedly fall into sin. But and If he/she falls into sin, he/she is unhappy about it, goes to God and repents about it and gets right with God again. A christian's life is a life of daily repentance because he/she examines the sins committed in daily life and repents and strives to overcome until he/she is totally able to get rid of the sins. We may not be able to overcome all our sins with our will-power and determination, we need God's help in this.

Many of us are like the "thief on the cross". The thief was guilty of sin having lived as a sinner all throughout his life but he acknowledged that he was a sinner before Lord Jesus Christ and pleaded with Him to remember him when He goes to heaven. Lord Jesus Christ said "Today, thou shalt be with me in paradise". So, the thief who lived a sinful life till the end of his life was suddenly and surprisingly saved because of his heart-relationship (repentant and humble heart) towards Lord Jesus Christ.

Whether you are a lesbian or not, God loves you anyway. He remembered and loved you 2000 years ago approx. and allowed Jesus Christ to die for you. So, Lord Jesus Christ has bought you with His precious blood and you belong to Him. Stick with Him and He will help you and see you thru this earthly life and will recieve you in heaven.

God is not populating perfect people in heaven. God is populating repentant people in heaven. All that God is asking for is a repentant and humble heart in us till the end of our lives.

All this is not to encourage you to commit sin. But, this is to comfort and strengthen your already concerned and troubled heart.

This is my honest opinion.

Lord bless you :)
 
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god does condemn homosexuality but he still loves the sinner. remember that forgiveness comes only with repentance, a turning away from, while jesus did forgive he also said go and sin no more. when we sin we give place to the devil and because we have chosen it we give him permission to be there. god bless you and may you find true peace and joy in christ.
 
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Wow, I have the perfect article for you!

http://christiananswers.net/q-cross/cross-gaychange.html

That's great that you told your mom about this. You don't deserve anymore harping about this than a straight girl who's having sex outside of marriage. Sin is sin, and everyone has their own to deal with. Anyway, please read that, because I think you'll find it very encouraging! May God bless ya! :)
 
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The sins of past centuries are openly accepted today. Religion, Christianity, is dynamic, constantly changing with the world. I don’t believe a single one of you would be deemed worthy of salvation in the eyes of an 8th century Catholic priest. We’d call him ignorant; he’d call you the devil. The bible is interpreted differently with every generation. Massachusetts is riddled with churches openly accepting homosexuality. They’re all reading the same thing right? Regardless of how much some people don’t like it, homosexuality is moving into great acceptance. To all you reading this, I’m not saying embrace homosexuality, by all means stick with your conviction, but be aware.



My advice to SnoopyDances would be to sit down, examine your life. Consider these people’s points of view, but go on your own beliefs, your own interpretation of the bible, and your own interpretation of life. Its natural to seek help when going through as much as you are, but only you can help yourself. Assess your convictions, examine your conscious, whatever you do, make sure YOU believe in it. Nothing in life is worse than wandering ignorantly. :)
 
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To the OP:

Please, I beg you, do not subscribe to the 'gay is evil' line typical of many Christians (particularly fundamentalists). As you have seen in this thread, many Christians do not agree that homosexuality is sinful. But the important - no, the crucial - point is you. If you are pleased with what you are, then that is all that matters. Dealing with family who will not accept who you are is very difficult, and I sympathise, but please, do not let them change your opinion about yourself. Evaluate yourself on meaningful criteria - how you interact with people, whether or not you are honest, caring and so forth - rather than something as unimportant as your sexual preference.

You are a good person, a loving person, and don't let anyone tell that because of your lesbianism, you are not.
 
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My view on this subject.

You are a Christian. You believe that Jesus died for your sins -- all of them.

Whether or not you believe homosexuality is a sin isn't important if it is forgiven.

I'd be hesitant to tell your parents & church until you're older. One of my best friends came out to me our sophomore year of high school and only just recently came out to her family. She was frightened before she came out to me. I am uncommonly open-minded though, and it was a great weight lifted off of her shoulders when she realized that I didn't care whether she was straight or not.


[size=+1]Religious Conflicts Experienced by Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Individuals
by Kelly D. Schuck, M.A. and Becky J. Liddle, Ph.D.

[/size]
[size=+1]Abstract: A qualitative and quantitative study of 66 lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) respondents examined perceived conflicts between religion and sexual orientation. Nearly two-thirds reported having experienced such conflicts. Sources of conflict included denominational teachings, scriptural passages, and congregational prejudice. Reactions included shame, depression, and suicidal ideation. Resolutions included identifying as spiritual rather than religious, reinterpreting religious teachings, changing affiliations, remaining religious but not attending, and abandoning religion altogether. Respondents listed resources that helped them achieve positive resolutions. The experience of conflict was associated with greater difficulty in coming out and with greater diversity in age at coming out, suggesting that religious conflicts can affect LGB identity formation. Implications for practice with religious LGB clients are discussed. -- (Source)[/size]
 
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i guess there are sever issues to address... hmm. it has been a while since i posted this, since, i have come out to my parents as a lesbian, or rather, to my mother and stepfather. my mother was, as i expected, not very accepting. she says she loves me regardless, and that she will pray for me and she now has me going to these christian homosexual recovery class things, which i think is totally wrong, they speak of it as if it were crime, and none of the people there, though many of them obviously looking for help, seem happy or even like it is really what they want to or should be doing. As far as the comment about me believing in all of the bible, and how it views homosexuality as sinful, i do believe and follow most of the bible. however, as with most everything, there are some things i disagree with, not to say that I am not WRONG for doing this, but there are many points in several different issues where my opinions differ from that of the average christian. For the most part i have chosen to follow christ, and i will continue to love him and believe in him. Though, I must admit, at this point, there are several things I am not yet willing to conform to. At my age, I have several years of what should be fun and good times ahead of me, why should I try to complicate it?
free will is a powerful and amazing thing...SnoopyDances if you continue with this thought process and attitude about your sexuality and faith walk, you will regret it many many years down the road. Outside of and away from God there is only pain...regardless of what your sin is.
 
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FOUND THIS ARTICLE FOR YA...HOPE THIS HELPS:

Ex-Gay Is Ok
By Linda Wall

The author of this personal testimony lobbies state and federal legislators from an ex-gay point of view. She aspires to a political career in the Virginia State Senate.


Recently I participated in the first Annual Ex-gay Lobby Day on Capitol Hill and it felt great! I am so very thankful that I no longer live as a lesbian. I feel like a bird set free from a cage. It's great to be alive!

My adventure into the gay scene started with fun and excitement. But years later, it had fundamentally changed me--spiraling me downward into a depression that nearly cost me my life.

How neat it was when I visited my first gay bar and saw a real live "drag show." It seemed that at last, I was truly "finding myself" and "just being me." But in time, that joy left, and my life began to play out like a soap opera. During those long years living on an emotional roller coaster, my personality gradually changed from that of a caring and ethical individual into a hard-hearted, self-centered woman that I didn't like at all. When I looked into the mirror, I'd become someone I didn't even recognize.

I also hated the double life that being a lesbian led me to live--because in my heart, I knew something was wrong with this life. To keep it hidden, I always had to look over my shoulder hoping no one saw me entering or exiting a gay bar.

One night as I sat and watched lesbian couples dancing and socializing in the bar, I pondered over a particular irony of lesbian life: Here were women who didn't like men, acting just like them! Gradually, I began to question what I was seeing. There was something unnatural about this lifestyle, something fundamentally distorted. In a few fleeting thoughts I wondered about the Bible that I had always trusted as my guide--it never seemed to mention people of the same sex having sex.

Deep down inside I continued to feel my lesbian lifestyle was wrong, but I always managed to find some way to justify my behavior. Yet that persistent sense continued to eat away at me on the inside. It became a nightmare, and haunted me so much that I stopped frequenting the bars.

Today, it is my desire that by sharing my journey, others can have the courage to choose to change and discover their purpose in life.

Some who choose change go the biblical counseling route for help, while others participate in secular reparative therapy or live-in programs. For me, the way out was spiritual. I had been raised in a Southern Baptist family with a deacon dad, Sunday school-teaching mom and preacher brother. So when I was at the end of my rope, I knew it was the Lord that I needed.

Often I have wondered, "What made this Christian girl depart from the straight and narrow path?" I was minding my own heterosexual college co-ed life when an older woman seduced me. But why didn't I say "no" to her advances?

As a former schoolteacher who once lived life as a lesbian, I realize more than ever the importance of sharing my exit from that lifestyle so that others--particularly young people--know that people can change; there is a choice! I am troubled by the plan of some people to mold schoolchildren's values and worldview so they learn to "celebrate" their sexual confusion as "who they really are." In fact, I am actively working to prevent that from happening.

There has been no scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality or lesbianism is part of our human design, and the fallacy of the "gay gene" theory has been revealed. We must conclude that all of us are designed to be heterosexual, but that something happens in those early formative years in the child that sets the stage for alternative sexual behavior.

I have looked back into my past for an answer as to why I personally was open to lesbianism, and I think it lies primarily with a problematic relationship with mom. Early on, I decided I didn't want to be like she was. As far back as I can remember, my mom was always dealing with some medical ailment or worried about anything she could find to worry about. She seemed weak to me and preoccupied with problems. Mom's anxious nature created an atmosphere in the family from which I wanted freedom.

Sadly, we never developed that special mother-daughter bond. Mom went back to work shortly after I was born and my grandmother and neighbors took care of me until I entered school. Any time I was involved in a school event, my mom would always have to work and couldn't attend. In my recollection, at no time in my life did she compliment me on anything I did. Nothing I did, it seemed, was good enough.

I was able to find refuge from my mom's negative world by retreating to my room or exploring the world of outdoors. But she always discouraged my adventuresome personality by constantly working at making me more girlish with hair permanents, fancy dresses and matching hats. Her plan for me just never appealed to me regardless of how much she tried!

Life with my dad, on the other hand, was of a very different nature. He was always my close pal--"Pop" to me. We fished, worked on the car together and occasionally hung out at the local service station. I always wanted to be with him rather than with Mom. We could sit together all day and watch Westerns or ball games on TV. He was lighthearted and fun--a practical joker who always succeeded in making me laugh.

Because I grew up outdoors, I became more attracted to what the neighborhood boys were doing--building forts, shooting marbles and playing ball. The neighborhood girls bored me with their doll babies and wanting to "play mommies and daddies." I seemed to be different; I preferred to be alone and withdraw into the world of adventure shows, like Charlie's Angels, the Bionic Woman, or the Man from U.N.C.L.E. There were even times when I was an upset with God. Why, I wondered, hadn't He just made me a boy?

When it came time for the "mother-daughter" talk about the birds and the bees, my mother skipped the talk and instead, handed me a book to read. Afterwards, she explained that good girls did not have sex outside of marriage and that I should save myself for my husband. That lesson must have made a very deep impression on me, because I developed a strong fear of pregnancy. I even had a dream that I was pregnant even though I had never had sex, but that no one would believe me. This always made me keep my distance from guys.

After I entered college, my interest in dating guys dwindled. The dates always ended up in a hassle, with the guy wanting sex and me having to say no. I simply decided the hassle wasn't worth it and put my energies into my studies.

My first encounter with same-sex attraction came the summer of my sophomore year. I was the lifeguard and manager of a private swim club. An older married woman at the club began paying me special attention by bringing me lunch to the pool. Eventually she began inviting me over for diner whenever her husband was out-of-town on business.

One night after dinner as we sat across from each other playing cards she began to caress my leg with her foot. I was shocked that this had a "turn on" effect upon me. Needless to say, that night I went home with a multitude of questions running through my head.

The summer came to an end shortly after that, and nothing developed beyond playing "footsies" under the table until the day I stopped by to say goodbye on my way back to college. She lured me into her bedroom with conversation and embraced me with a very long, passionate kiss. I was so amazed that I kissed her back. I had no idea that I had lesbian tendencies. She apologized and asked me to forget that anything had ever happened. Almost immediately I left the house and drove back to campus. But the kiss continued to haunt me.

The following summer I worked at one of the local manufacturing plants. I was seeing one of the guys on second shift and to contemplating "going all of the way" with him. This was abruptly interrupted when I was informed by a lady on my shift that not only was "J" married, but he had a mistress, too, and they had a child together!

I was so heartbroken at this deception that I vowed out loud that I was through with men. I made a commitment: never, ever again would I allow a guy to steal my heart as "J" had.

In a short span of time, Carol--the very woman who had revealed "J"'s double life to me--began the same type of flirting as the woman I had met at the pool the previous summer. This time, I decided I was going to flirt back and see what would happen.

This was an adventure down an unknown road. At least, it couldn't get me pregnant! I Liked the fact that I could be the one in control of a relationship. I decided that when the chance came, I would follow as far as Carol would take me on this journey of experimentation.

It wasn't long before the moment arrived. Carol's husband went on a hunting trip out of town and I was invited over for the weekend. When I walked in the back door and saw a glass of wine sitting on the table I knew this was the night. I sat down and drank it without hesitation. We then journeyed upstairs, smoked a joint and she seduced me. That night turned into a six-year love affair.

Even though it was the most emotionally fulfilling relationship I had experienced up until that time, I still knew on some level that it was wrong. I hated the double life that it forced us to live. Our secret plans were to move to California when Carol's kids graduated from high school, but this came to a screeching halt when we discovered that she had terminal cancer.

As the cancer ate away at Carol, I, too died a little each day. I did not know if I could make it in life without her. What had started out as an adventure for fun, was now killing me because I had become so co-dependent upon her and had intertwined my entire being into the relationship.

After she died, I moved away to the beach in order to escape the memories and start again. Eventually, I became a part of the lesbian bar scene and went on the roller coaster ride of the "gay life." Relationships came. Relationships went. It was always the same: "the joys lasted but for a season."

In time I became more and more self-centered and I began to do whatever I wanted to do, with no regard for anyone else. I engaged in many activities that I knew were wrong--I won't describe them all here, but I knew they were wrong and I just didn't care. My entire character changed while I was caught up in the lifestyle. I was picking people up for sex, and sometimes engaged in a "threesome."

Some days, I'd look in the mirror and wonder, "Where has Linda gone?" I did not like who I had become, and finally I wanted a way out. What had begun ten years ago as an adventure to fulfill a curiosity was now on a collision course with death. Dark thoughts of suicide began to plague me.

I know that as you read what's next, because you may not be a person of religious faith, perhaps you cannot relate to this part of my story. It is certainly one of those experiences that is difficult to believe; unless, of course, it happened to you. But since it is an integral part of my exit from lesbianism I cannot exclude it from my story.

During the time when I was sick at heart about the gay scene--the discos and the gay bars--deep inside, I knew something was missing. Before I'd go out to the bars I'd look in the mirror and ask myself why I was going. I didn't like it any more, but I kept going back.

Then one day as I walked along the waterfront, I heard "voices" telling me the many reasons why I should end my life.

But yet another "voice" told me that I just couldn't do that to my mom and dad. I did love them too much to leave them to have to deal with my suicide. Yet I was so very tired that knew I could not continue the path I was on. Out loud, I cried, "I'm tired, Lord, I'm tired!"

Then I seemed to hear a different voice whispering, "Go to church!" I took a step forward and the voice repeated itself. "Go to church..." I looked up in the sky and it was as though a giant screen appeared and I watched my life on a flip chart going in reverse, back to that day, ten years earlier, when my parents had left me off at college. On that day I had said, "Good! Now I'll do what I want to do now and I'll go to church when I want to go to church."

As I saw my past before me, it was then that I realized that it was that lack of relationship with the Lord that was missing in my inner most being. So on the following Sunday, I did what the voice had suggested and I went to church. Slowly, my life began to change dramatically. Today, I feel ready for a commitment to marriage.




Advice for Youth
Questioning their Sexual Identity
What about you? Perhaps you cannot walk down that road of faith in God as I did, yet you are questioning your sexual identity. If so, I encourage you to seek answers from other directions. There are many resources available, and I can suggest a few choices; {Moderator Edit} PM me.

Remember, there is no gay gene, nor any biological evidence to indicate that people are born homosexual. On a purely practical level, science and biology tell us how damaging homosexual behavior is to one's health. And the very design of our bodies teaches us that we were not made for men to have sex with men, and women with women. The three great religions of the world--through the Bible, sacred tradition, the Koran, and the Torah-- have all taught, for centuries, that same-sex sex is wrong. So, what is really right about it???

There is an old saying," Seek, and ye shall find." Reach way down on the inside and look for those circumstances in your childhood that could be the root of your same-sex attraction; determine the best route for you toward becoming ex-gay, and then, go for it.
 
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"Homosexual Recovery" is psychologically harmful. That's why I was advising against telling the parents until you were older.

Shidlo, A., & Schroeder, M. (2002). Changing sexual orientation: A consumers' report. Professional Psychology: Research & Practice, 33(3), 249-259. Retrieved January 3, 2005, from PsycINFO (1840-Current) database.
"The results indicated that a majority failed to change sexual orientation, and many reported that they associated harm with conversion interventions. A minority reported feeling helped, although not necessarily with their original goal of changing sexual orientation."
 
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I really feel for you, what you are going through. But don't be deceived, being gay is wrong, the thoughts and the acts that follow are sin. However, all sexual sin is the same, it is a sin. It doesn't matter if it is adultery or homosexuality, it is sin.
The way that Jesus coped with temptation was by quoting scripture, by quoting Gods word. Search your bible for relevant scripture, and use that against satan every time your ar tempted. End your relationship with your g/f. And remember this scripture, and read it over an over and believe it is for you 1Cor:10:13: There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Trust these words.
 
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morningstar2651 said:
"Homosexual Recovery" is psychologically harmful. That's why I was advising against telling the parents until you were older.

Shidlo, A., & Schroeder, M. (2002). Changing sexual orientation: A consumers' report. Professional Psychology: Research & Practice, 33(3), 249-259. Retrieved January 3, 2005, from PsycINFO (1840-Current) database.
"The results indicated that a majority failed to change sexual orientation, and many reported that they associated harm with conversion interventions. A minority reported feeling helped, although not necessarily with their original goal of changing sexual orientation."
there are many like myself who have not had ill effects. there are many like myself who have gotten to what God intended through the power of God and not by any other means of psychological therapy... the problem lies where people do things without the help of God and end up with more problems than they started with... IMHO :)
 
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wow ca dan.
talk about negativity!
dude, maybe paraplegics dont get up and walk every day, but some do get up and walk.
have faith bro, imagine if the dude at that pool that had been there for like 30yrs because he was a cripple was as cynical as you??
jesus healed him. its not impossible.

oh by the way i know exactly how you feel snoopydances.
i have really strong gay tendancies. ive never been with a guy and with The Fathers strength i never will, hopefully ill over come my lust, but untill then im just abstaining.
i know its not ok, i cant deny i have those tendancies, but that doesent mean i would act on them.
 
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