Leighton flowers Thread

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Never heard of him and not at all interested in him.

 

[Saint Steven]

it is very close to a hate channel.

Is that worse than a hate topic?

 

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Is that worse than a hate topic?

We live in very strange times. Anything one might find offensive in another person or his views, one can easily fob off as being "hate".

 

[Tone]

but I will watch how he interacts with those he disagrees with and whether he can unify in love of Messiah.

I'm not gonna lie, this video put me to sleep. I just get bored with this kind of philosophical conversation/debate.

I personally judge people by their actions and if a person makes 400 videos against a position rather than promote their own,I say they are not acting out of love but sabotage. Sabotage against the body of Christ.

I think maybe I get a sense of what you are saying. Maybe you believe Leighton's time and effort can be better spent in acts of love towards fellow believers and the lost. But, we don't know what he does with the rest of his time/effort or what his heart disposition is. This could be said about any one of us.

 

[Saint Steven]

I never knew that Calvin was a problem until I had a deep doctrinal discussion with a Calvinist. That was very educational.

 

[All Glory To God]

We live in very strange times. Anything one might find offensive in another person or his views, one can easily fob off as being "hate".

Is it fair to make that statement when your knowledge of the situation is this.........

Never heard of him and not at all interested in him.

 

[All Glory To God]

I'm not gonna lie, this video put me to sleep. I just get bored with this kind of philosophical conversation/debate.



I think maybe I get a sense of what you are saying. Maybe you believe Leighton's time and effort can be better spent in acts of love towards fellow believers and the lost. But, we don't know what he does with the rest of his time/effort or what his heart disposition is. This could be said about any one of us.

That is true I do not know what he does with the rest of his time. However the nature of this complaint is about what he does in fact do with his effort,I perceive it to be a cloaked attack on Reformed people.Yes this is a complaint on my part and seeing if others find his activities acceptable or not. As I've already explained I do not accept a testimony unless the actions match up,so the nature of the person needs to be in harmony with their stated purpose. When flowers calls Reformed people his brothers and he loves them but simultaneously attacks them through his hundreds of YouTube videos,his books,his website perhaps his church then I reject his claim to be a brother and love because his actions betray him as a fraud. Why would you trust someone who does those things?

 

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Is it fair to make that statement when your knowledge of the situation is this.........

It is fair IMO given the fact that this gentleman is hardly the only one of his ilk. The current culture permits anyone at anytime who takes offense from the opinions of anyone else to denigrate that person as engaging in "hate talk".

 

[All Glory To God]

It is fair IMO given the fact that this gentleman is hardly the only one of his ilk. The current culture permits anyone at anytime who takes offense from the opinions of anyone else to denigrate that person as engaging in "hate talk".

Even though you know nothing about this gentleman.

Ok.

 

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Even though you know nothing about this gentleman.

Ok.

I am not at all interested in judging this gentleman. There are multitudes who are probably very similar to him and I have observed some of them as well as their detractors.

For me, the scripture is still clear that when I see a brother in sin I am to go to him and confront him about his sin. Have you done that or is your modus operandi to merely denigrate him publicly?

 

[All Glory To God]

I am not at all interested in judging this gentleman. There are multitudes who are probably very similar to him and I have observed some of them as well as their detractors.

For me, the scripture is still clear that when I see a brother in sin I am to go to him and confront him about his sin. Have you done that or is your modus operandi to merely denigrate him publicly?

This is an opinion thread-Leighton Flowers.

I am spefically asking people what they think of the content he produces as he is a public figure.

 

[Saint Steven]

This is an opinion thread-Leighton Flowers.

I am spefically asking people what they think of the content he produces as he is a public figure.

Basically a request for slanderous judgments against a Christian brother. Oh wait... you question whether he even is a Christian. Off the hook in that regard, I suppose.

 

[All Glory To God]

@Saint Steven So you admit you know nothing about the subject matter, therefore cannot offer any insight to the topic. Add to that I personally do not want to dialogue with you so why you here bro?

 

[Saint Steven]

@Saint Steven So you admit you know nothing about the subject matter, therefore cannot offer any insight to the topic. Add to that I personally do not want to dialogue with you so why you here bro?

On the contrary.
I have offered several important insights regarding the OP and comments, which have been all but ignored.

Perhaps if you could adequately explain why anyone would start and maintain a topic designed to slander another Christian, I may be satisfied with your response and feel that my work here is done.

 

[All Glory To God]

On the contrary.
I have offered several important insights regarding the OP and comments, which have been all but ignored.

Perhaps if you could adequately explain why anyone would start and maintain a topic designed to slander another Christian, I may be satisfied with your response and feel that my work here is done.

Ok lets talk about this.

So you made a slander charge against me for making this thread,what is the slander you talk about? Here are some definitions:

noun
LAW

1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
   "he is suing the TV company for slander"
   
   verb
   1. make false and damaging statements about (someone)

What's the slander steven?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Well I wanted you to tell me as you claimed he had a ministry. And in regard to his position as a director I personal have never seen an educational video on Baptist belief systems produced from his channel. Can you link any here I may have missed?

To begin, I'm reformed..

However, what your seeing from him is the fact he's not a minister, period. He's an apologist - specifically geared toward the attempt to refute reformed theology, because reformed Baptists are growing in number, and SBC is likely losing numbers.

I don't see this as any different than any other apologist though.. I would say I disagree with his points, and in discussion tell others what I believe and why, but his ministry is to stop the SBC from bleeding, and if that's what he legitimately believes, then I dont suppose you can hold it against him any more than you can hold TULIP and its teachings against us since we teach it to other Christians...

I think your question should be, is full time apologist (within Christianity instead of outside it) as a career, something that we should be doing, or rather, should we be leading the lost to Christ...

Many of us might say, there are more than enough lost who call themselves Christian... and maybe we need to get our own house in order before worldly concerns become more, shall we say, volatile.

And if I might say that, how can I criticise others who are likeminded, but happen to have a different set of doctrinal beliefs than myself?

 

[All Glory To God]

To begin, I'm reformed..

However, what your seeing from him is the fact he's not a minister, period. He's an apologist - specifically geared toward the attempt to refute reformed theology, because reformed Baptists are growing in number, and SBC is likely losing numbers.

I don't see this as any different than any other apologist though.. I would say I disagree with his points, and in discussion tell others what I believe and why, but his ministry is to stop the SBC from bleeding, and if that's what he legitimately believes, then I dont suppose you can hold it against him any more than you can hold TULIP an its teachings against us...

I think your question should be, is full time apologist (within Christianity instead of outside it) as a career, something that we should be doing, or rather, should we be leading the lost to Christ...

Let me start off by saying the question completely bombed,it just attracted people who never heard of him here and some have stayed like weeds.

Yes of course he is as you described,can I blame him for doing what he's doing? From his perspective I guess not but i'm not in his position I and the Reformed group are on the receiving end of these ''attacks'' so I think it is fair to fire some back at them. Kevin Thompson recently made a draft to give to churches,showing them how to screen out reformed pastors,how can a man support himself his wife and children if he can't work because of the actions taken due to what the anti's are taking. The point of dialogue has been crossed and we are at the next stage because of what they are doing. so these men have got absolutely no right to complain if they are on the receiving end of ''attacks'' in kind. If we have some fans of his show up that's ok I'm not going to give them a hard time and I am genuinely curios about whether this forum is place that supports flowers.

 

[Saint Steven]

Ok lets talk about this.

So you made a slander charge against me for making this thread,what is the slander you talk about? Here are some definitions:

noun
LAW

1. the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
   "he is suing the TV company for slander"
   
   verb
   1. make false and damaging statements about (someone)

What's the slander steven?

I didn't make a slander charge against you personally. It was against your topic, in which you INVITE slander against Mr. Flowers. You also inferred in the OP that Mr. Flowers was not a Christian. You wrote, "... Mr.Flowers claims to be a Christian."

So, as I said in my last post, you have started and maintained "a topic designed to slander another Christian". You are asking others to do the dirty work by posting slanderous comments about Mr. Flowers. Correct? That way you will not have to take the blame for slandering him yourself.

Saint Steven said: ↑
On the contrary.
I have offered several important insights regarding the OP and comments, which have been all but ignored.

Perhaps if you could adequately explain why anyone would start and maintain a topic designed to slander another Christian, I may be satisfied with your response and feel that my work here is done.

 

[Saint Steven]

Let me start off by saying the question completely bombed,it just attracted people who never heard of him here and some have stayed like weeds.

... If we have some fans of his show up that's ok I'm not going to give them a hard time and I am genuinely curios about whether this forum is place that supports flowers.

So you hate both flowers and weeds? Are you green with envy? - lol

 

[Hazelelponi]

...

Let me start off by saying the question completely bombed,it just attracted people who never heard of him here and some have stayed like weeds.

Yes of course he is as you described,can I blame him for doing what he's doing? From his perspective I guess not but i'm not in his position I and the Reformed group are on the receiving end of these ''attacks'' so I think it is fair to fire some back at them. Kevin Thompson recently made a draft to give to churches,showing them how to screen out reformed pastors,how can a man support himself his wife and children if he can't work because of the actions taken due to what the anti's are taking. The point of dialogue has been crossed and we are at the next stage because of what they are doing. so these men have got absolutely no right to complain if they are on the receiving end of ''attacks'' in kind. If we have some fans of his show up that's ok I'm not going to give them a hard time and I am genuinely curios about whether this forum is place that supports flowers.

I'm among those who've never heard of him..