Leighton flowers Thread

[All Glory To God]

Hi all. I did post a similar thread but was advised to repost this in the controversial section.




A rising YouTube star and author is becoming increasingly popular.

No ladies this is not a pop star this is the man himself Leighton flowers.




Only thing I find concerning is his content on Reformed theology as it seems rather negative and Mr.Flowers claims to be a Christian. Do you agree or disagree?

So what do you think of Leighton Flowers?

 

[Der Alte]

Never heard of him. Can you quote some of his teachings you think are controversial.

 

[All Glory To God]

Never heard of him. Can you quote some of his teachings you think are controversial.

I never said he was controversial exactly,I said I think his content is negative and claims to be a christian so this needs to be discussed in the controversial section. You know how the Bible says it does not want the body of Christ divided? Well what happens if a man dedicates his time to attacking the beliefs of some of the body,this is what leighton flowers appears to be doing. You say you haven't heard of flowers,I personally can't say I recommend his material,the way I come to know of him was a debate he had with a Reformed person. After going to his channel after watching the debate it is clear flowers does not run a Baptist channel it is an anti-Reformed channel,along with his books,his website etc.

 

[All Glory To God]

Just a quick update on the pretty boy of provisionism: Mr.flowers has had his 101 studio upgraded and a new song was released on his program.

Great stuff Mr.flowers all the fans are behind you.

 

[1213]

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So what do you think of Leighton Flowers?

I don’t know about him, but, if you are a Christian (=disciple of Jesus), follow Jesus.

…Jesus said to him, "Follow me, …
Matt. 8:22

 

[Saint Steven]

The OP seems to infer that Mr. Flowers is not a Christian due to his stance on Reformed theology. As if a negative opinion about Reformed theology makes one NOT a Christian. I would say the OP is more questionable than Mr. Flowers, even though I know nothing about Mr. Flowers other than the slanderous comments in the OP. If I had a negative opinion about Reformed theology would you accuse me of not being a Christian? Probably.

 

[renniks]

I have read his wordpress blog. Good stuff IMO.

 

[All Glory To God]

I have read his wordpress blog. Good stuff IMO.

Well you are the first poster in this thread to actually know anything about him,despite the fact we have several members replying to the OP.

May I ask what you think is good about what he is doing based off the material he put together?

 

[renniks]

Well you are the first poster in this thread to actually know anything about him,despite the fact we have several members replying to the OP.

May I ask what you think is good about what he is doing based off the material he put together?

He has helped me to better understand the different non Calvinist positions on Romans for example. His ministry as I understand it is to give ex, Calvinists a better understanding of what the Bible actually says on the many topics Calvinists misunderstand.

 

[All Glory To God]

He has helped me to better understand the different non Calvinist positions on Romans for example. His ministry as I understand it is to give ex, Calvinists a better understanding of what the Bible actually says on the many topics Calvinists misunderstand.

Ok renniks,I asked for opinions on him and you offered so fair enough. I'm also glad we have a fan of his present so he has some representation here in you.


I am going to question something because you used the word ''ministry'' claiming flowers has one,so what do you understand about leading a ministry? Most religious ministries are dedicated to worship,fellowship and the positive side of discipleship so where does flowers 101 fit into that? I see none of those attributes as part of his content and indeed you yourself acknowledged his aim is to give Calvinists a different understanding,which is code for self righteous correction of others. Where's the ministry?

 

[Tone]

1st time hearing of him.

* Oh sorry, I will say this though. I've had enough Calvinism for or against.

 

[Saint Steven]

... which is code for self righteous correction of others.

Oh... my... You said in your OP, "... Mr.Flowers claims to be a Christian." (inferring doubt)
I'll repeat my post #6.

The OP seems to infer that Mr. Flowers is not a Christian due to his stance on Reformed theology. As if a negative opinion about Reformed theology makes one NOT a Christian. I would say the OP is more questionable than Mr. Flowers, even though I know nothing about Mr. Flowers other than the slanderous comments in the OP. If I had a negative opinion about Reformed theology would you accuse me of not being a Christian? Probably.

 

[All Glory To God]

Oh... my... You said in your OP, "... Mr.Flowers claims to be a Christian." (inferring doubt)
I'll repeat my post #6.

The OP seems to infer that Mr. Flowers is not a Christian due to his stance on Reformed theology. As if a negative opinion about Reformed theology makes one NOT a Christian. I would say the OP is more questionable than Mr. Flowers, even though I know nothing about Mr. Flowers other than the slanderous comments in the OP. If I had a negative opinion about Reformed theology would you accuse me of not being a Christian? Probably.

I saw your post steven and it appeared to me you were looking to make a fight so I ignored it.

 

[renniks]

see none of those attributes as part of his content and indeed you yourself acknowledged his aim is to give Calvinists a different understanding,which is code for self righteous correction of others. Where's the ministry?

The ministry is partially to correct false teaching, but seems like he does more than that.

"Dr. Leighton Flowers was named the Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists in 2018. In addition to preaching on a wide range of biblical subjects, Leighton regularly travels to churches of all sizes to conduct seminars that specialize on evangelism and apologetics. He has participated in debates with leading apologists and led training conferences for the Annual Convention, Conclave, Apologetic Conferences, and the SBC Annual Convention."

When in doubt, check the source.
About

 

[Saint Steven]

I saw your post steven and it appeared to me you were looking to make a fight so I ignored it.

That doesn't sound like an apology to me.

 

[All Glory To God]

The ministry is partially to correct false teaching, but seems like he does more than that.

"Dr. Leighton Flowers was named the Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists in 2018. In addition to preaching on a wide range of biblical subjects, Leighton regularly travels to churches of all sizes to conduct seminars that specialize on evangelism and apologetics. He has participated in debates with leading apologists and led training conferences for the Annual Convention, Conclave, Apologetic Conferences, and the SBC Annual Convention."

When in doubt, check the source.
About

Well I wanted you to tell me as you claimed he had a ministry. And in regard to his position as a director I personal have never seen an educational video on Baptist belief systems produced from his channel. Can you link any here I may have missed?

 

[renniks]

Well I wanted you to tell me as you claimed he had a ministry. And in regard to his position as a director I personal have never seen an educational video on Baptist belief systems produced from his channel. Can you link any here I may have missed?

I really haven't watched much of his video content, so no. I don't see the problem with having a ministry to people struggling with Calvinism or Calvinism withdrawal.

 

[All Glory To God]

I really haven't watched much of his video content, so no. I don't see the problem with having a ministry to people struggling with Calvinism or Calvinism withdrawal.

Fine you don't see a problem with it.

What he does is not a ministry in my view it is very close to a hate channel.

 

[Tone]

You know how the Bible says it does not want the body of Christ divided? Well what happens if a man dedicates his time to attacking the beliefs of some of the body,this is what leighton flowers appears to be doing.

I just finished watching a service and the speaker said "Unity is not agreement, though there may be agreement in unity. Unity is giving deference to the brethren in love, despite disagreements " (paraphrase)

So, I would see if our man Leighton shows love for the brethren regardless of any theological disagreements.

I am currently watching "Debating Freewill with Athiest and Calvinists" and so far he seems pretty likeable. I probably will not watch all of it, but I will watch how he interacts with those he disagrees with and whether he can unify in love of Messiah.

 

[All Glory To God]

I just finished watching a service and the speaker said "Unity is not agreement, though there may be agreement in unity. Unity is giving deference to the brethren in love, despite disagreements " (paraphrase)

So, I would see if our man Leighton shows love for the brethren regardless of any theological disagreements.

I am currently watching "Debating Freewill with Athiest and Calvinists" and so far he seems pretty likeable. I probably will not watch all of it, but I will watch how he interacts with those he disagrees with and whether he can unify in love of Messiah.

Most useful post so far Tone. Thanks for that.

In regard to doing things ''in love'' for fellow Christians we have to remember Judas. So if a person claims to be doing something in love but what is actually driving them is malice then can we accept their testimony? I personally judge people by their actions and if a person makes 400 videos against a position rather than promote their own,I say they are not acting out of love but sabotage. Sabotage against the body of Christ.