Legalism

[Raeneske]

This topic is discussed in this video:

The Sabbath & Legalism

What is legalism? Dictionary.com says:

strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit.

Many today declare the fourth commandment of God to be legalistic.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And yet, I ask, how is it that spending an entire day with the Creator God, legalistic? We who value our relationships with friends, family members, and loved ones, know that our relationships grow, and are made closer when we spend time with them. And this is all our Creator is asking us to do, to spend time with Him upon the seventh day of every week. And yet, people want to declare this legalism? Why is it that the Sabbath Day, which the Creator God made for man, to bring man to his source of Eternal Happiness, that the day He sets apart for us weekly, is legalism? After all, it says in

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is the Lord that created all that is seen and unseen. He is claimed to be our dearest hope. And yet for some reason, we cannot seem to obey Him on this point, and opt rather to join in the pleasures of the world, rather than join in rest and peace with Him. Could it be that the Christian actually loves the world, more than they love Christ? Could it be, that we actually have no desire to spend an entire day with the Creator, and that's why it's called legalistic? It's not like Jesus is asking us here to lay on our beds and stare at the roof in a boring state of idleness. He's asking us to come and spend time with Him. He is our God, and we are in a covenant relationship with Him. If we don't adhere to it, we break this covenant, and He is no longer our God. We may call Him our God, but sadly, He is not truly our God, for it is written:

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

In this prophecy lies the prophetic utterance that describes the doom of the churches who reject Christ and the law. The symbols of this prophecy are such: Seven, being the number representing perfection, and completeness. Women: representing churches. One man, that is Christ. Bread, which is the Word of God. Apparel, which is the Christian walk. So this is exactly what this verse is saying

In that day, all the churches shall take their hold upon Christ and say, we will eat our own bread (read the Bible however they want to read it), and wear our own apparel (walk however we so please) just let us be called Christians, to take away our reproach.

This is the exact direction that all the churches, and soon all those who reject Christ are headed. If we continue to call Him Lord, but we can't even spend an entire day with Him without calling it legalism, what shall be the end of us, who do not even know the Lord? As a matter of fact, how do you get to know someone you don't even spend time with? And thus, this sad, and fearful, denunciation must be pronounced upon those who reject the Sabbath of the Lord.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christ will plainly declare to those who will not worship the Lord of the Sabbath, that He never knew them. And rightly so, for they refused to spend the quality time with Him that He asked them to do. And despite the fact that they claimed to do many wonderful works in His name, they in actuality never even knew Him. And so he declared, "Depart from me, ye that work iniquity." What is iniquity?

From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Iniquity is wickedness, the transgression of God's law, lawlessness. Christ will declare to the lawless Sabbath breakers, who never spent time with Him to truly get to know Him, "I never knew you. Depart from me ye that work iniquity."

 

[Bob S]

This topic is discussed in this video:

The Sabbath & Legalism

What is legalism? Dictionary.com says:

strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit.

Many today declare the fourth commandment of God to be legalistic.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And yet, I ask, how is it that spending an entire day with the Creator God, legalistic? We who value our relationships with friends, family members, and loved ones, know that our relationships grow, and are made closer when we spend time with them. And this is all our Creator is asking us to do, to spend time with Him upon the seventh day of every week. And yet, people want to declare this legalism? Why is it that the Sabbath Day, which the Creator God made for man, to bring man to his source of Eternal Happiness, that the day He sets apart for us weekly, is legalism? After all, it says in

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is the Lord that created all that is seen and unseen. He is claimed to be our dearest hope. And yet for some reason, we cannot seem to obey Him on this point, and opt rather to join in the pleasures of the world, rather than join in rest and peace with Him. Could it be that the Christian actually loves the world, more than they love Christ? Could it be, that we actually have no desire to spend an entire day with the Creator, and that's why it's called legalistic? It's not like Jesus is asking us here to lay on our beds and stare at the roof in a boring state of idleness. He's asking us to come and spend time with Him. He is our God, and we are in a covenant relationship with Him. If we don't adhere to it, we break this covenant, and He is no longer our God. We may call Him our God, but sadly, He is not truly our God, for it is written:

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

In this prophecy lies the prophetic utterance that describes the doom of the churches who reject Christ and the law. The symbols of this prophecy are such: Seven, being the number representing perfection, and completeness. Women: representing churches. One man, that is Christ. Bread, which is the Word of God. Apparel, which is the Christian walk. So this is exactly what this verse is saying

In that day, all the churches shall take their hold upon Christ and say, we will eat our own bread (read the Bible however they want to read it), and wear our own apparel (walk however we so please) just let us be called Christians, to take away our reproach.

This is the exact direction that all the churches, and soon all those who reject Christ are headed. If we continue to call Him Lord, but we can't even spend an entire day with Him without calling it legalism, what shall be the end of us, who do not even know the Lord? As a matter of fact, how do you get to know someone you don't even spend time with? And thus, this sad, and fearful, denunciation must be pronounced upon those who reject the Sabbath of the Lord.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christ will plainly declare to those who will not worship the Lord of the Sabbath, that He never knew them. And rightly so, for they refused to spend the quality time with Him that He asked them to do. And despite the fact that they claimed to do many wonderful works in His name, they in actuality never even knew Him. And so he declared, "Depart from me, ye that work iniquity." What is iniquity?

From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Iniquity is wickedness, the transgression of God's law, lawlessness. Christ will declare to the lawless Sabbath breakers, who never spent time with Him to truly get to know Him, "I never knew you. Depart from me ye that work iniquity."

Who are the "many" that say the Sabbath IS legalistic? I think you just made that up in order to do some proselytizing.

My response is that there is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath. Sabbath was strictly for the Israelites. Christians have never ever been asked to observe a day made to commemorate Israel's escape from bondage.

 

[BrianJK]

Who are the "many" that say the Sabbath IS legalistic? I think you just made that up in order to do some proselytizing.

My response is that there is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath. Sabbath was strictly for the Israelites. Christians have never ever been asked to observe a day made to commemorate Israel's escape from bondage.

Yeah just more stuff you have to do to keep God from getting mad at you...

 

[Raeneske]

Who are the "many" that say the Sabbath IS legalistic? I think you just made that up in order to do some proselytizing.

My response is that there is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath. Sabbath was strictly for the Israelites. Christians have never ever been asked to observe a day made to commemorate Israel's escape from bondage.

I made it up? Are you seriously accusing me of lying, that there are not many people who declare Sabbath keeping to be legalism "to do some proselytizing"? Maybe it's that I have been around more than you have, but there are indeed "many" people who declare that keeping the Sabbath is legalism. I would be almost positive that everyone on the Sabbath forum here has heard this type of argument at least once, if not, multiple times.

 

[SAAN]

This topic is discussed in this video:

The Sabbath & Legalism

What is legalism? Dictionary.com says:

strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit.

Many today declare the fourth commandment of God to be legalistic.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And yet, I ask, how is it that spending an entire day with the Creator God, legalistic? We who value our relationships with friends, family members, and loved ones, know that our relationships grow, and are made closer when we spend time with them. And this is all our Creator is asking us to do, to spend time with Him upon the seventh day of every week. And yet, people want to declare this legalism? Why is it that the Sabbath Day, which the Creator God made for man, to bring man to his source of Eternal Happiness, that the day He sets apart for us weekly, is legalism? After all, it says in

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is the Lord that created all that is seen and unseen. He is claimed to be our dearest hope. And yet for some reason, we cannot seem to obey Him on this point, and opt rather to join in the pleasures of the world, rather than join in rest and peace with Him. Could it be that the Christian actually loves the world, more than they love Christ? Could it be, that we actually have no desire to spend an entire day with the Creator, and that's why it's called legalistic? It's not like Jesus is asking us here to lay on our beds and stare at the roof in a boring state of idleness. He's asking us to come and spend time with Him. He is our God, and we are in a covenant relationship with Him. If we don't adhere to it, we break this covenant, and He is no longer our God. We may call Him our God, but sadly, He is not truly our God, for it is written:

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

In this prophecy lies the prophetic utterance that describes the doom of the churches who reject Christ and the law. The symbols of this prophecy are such: Seven, being the number representing perfection, and completeness. Women: representing churches. One man, that is Christ. Bread, which is the Word of God. Apparel, which is the Christian walk. So this is exactly what this verse is saying

In that day, all the churches shall take their hold upon Christ and say, we will eat our own bread (read the Bible however they want to read it), and wear our own apparel (walk however we so please) just let us be called Christians, to take away our reproach.

This is the exact direction that all the churches, and soon all those who reject Christ are headed. If we continue to call Him Lord, but we can't even spend an entire day with Him without calling it legalism, what shall be the end of us, who do not even know the Lord? As a matter of fact, how do you get to know someone you don't even spend time with? And thus, this sad, and fearful, denunciation must be pronounced upon those who reject the Sabbath of the Lord.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christ will plainly declare to those who will not worship the Lord of the Sabbath, that He never knew them. And rightly so, for they refused to spend the quality time with Him that He asked them to do. And despite the fact that they claimed to do many wonderful works in His name, they in actuality never even knew Him. And so he declared, "Depart from me, ye that work iniquity." What is iniquity?

From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Iniquity is wickedness, the transgression of God's law, lawlessness. Christ will declare to the lawless Sabbath breakers, who never spent time with Him to truly get to know Him, "I never knew you. Depart from me ye that work iniquity."

While the Sabbath can be very beneficial and God will more than likely bless those that keep it since it is an actual commandment, it is NOT a salvation issue with it at the same time too. There is no where in the scriptures that says if you dont keep the Sabbath, you will go to hell.

 

[Bob S]

I made it up? Are you seriously accusing me of lying, that there are not many people who declare Sabbath keeping to be legalism "to do some proselytizing"? Maybe it's that I have been around more than you have, but there are indeed "many" people who declare that keeping the Sabbath is legalism. I would be almost positive that everyone on the Sabbath forum here has heard this type of argument at least once, if not, multiple times.

Oh! now you are changing your story. This is what you wrote:

Why is it that the Sabbath Day, which the Creator God made for man, to bring man to his source of Eternal Happiness, that the day He sets apart for us weekly, is legalism? After all, it says in

Now you are saying those who are keeping the Sabbath. Two different stories my friend. It is the Sabbath "keepers" who are legalistic. I don't think you have been around at all. If you have been then you would know that the Sabbath has never been for any other than the Israelites. God has never asked gentiles to observe it. Christians have never been asked to keep it. Only Israel was charged with the law. The old covenant ended at the Cross. Christians are under the new covenant.

Friend, be careful what you write because we all are not stupid and we do catch things that are not kosher.

 

[RDKirk]

Here we have to understand a better definition of "legalism" than that Dictionary.com.

Remember that a dictionary provides current common usage of a word...and the current common usage might be wrong, especially for technical discussion. For instance, Merriam's defines "cow" as "a bovine creature of any age or gender," which might be suitable for a kid in Manhattan, but not for a kid on a dairy farm in Minnesota.

Paul gives us a better understanding of what "legalism" means in terms of salvation. Legalism is a doctrine that performance of law-specified rituals and activities obligates God to salvation. The Pharisaic doctrine of dependence on law-specified rituals and activities that obligate God to salvation is legalism.

Paul denies God can be obligated to salvation by performance of any rituals or activities and thus denies legalism. This does not deny that God gives commands to the already-saved (by faith)--it denies that obedience to those commands obligates God to save.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The old covenant ended at the Cross. Christians are under the new covenant.

Can you show us, in the Bible, where it states anything about changing the day God Commanded, before the cross? All the evidence I have seen used for replacing the seventh day comes from scripture that was penned, well after the crucifixion. From a legal perspective, all those arguments you say Paul makes about Sabbath are moot points, for the covenant was sealed at the cross... where did Christ say, before the cross, that Sabbath was changed to the first day? If He didn't and all was sealed with His blood, then you have no argument.

 

[bugkiller]

This topic is discussed in this video:

The Sabbath & Legalism

What is legalism? Dictionary.com says:

strict adherence, or the principle of strict adherence, to law or prescription, especially to the letter rather than the spirit.

Many today declare the fourth commandment of God to be legalistic.

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And yet, I ask, how is it that spending an entire day with the Creator God, legalistic? We who value our relationships with friends, family members, and loved ones, know that our relationships grow, and are made closer when we spend time with them. And this is all our Creator is asking us to do, to spend time with Him upon the seventh day of every week. And yet, people want to declare this legalism? Why is it that the Sabbath Day, which the Creator God made for man, to bring man to his source of Eternal Happiness, that the day He sets apart for us weekly, is legalism? After all, it says in

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is the Lord that created all that is seen and unseen. He is claimed to be our dearest hope. And yet for some reason, we cannot seem to obey Him on this point, and opt rather to join in the pleasures of the world, rather than join in rest and peace with Him. Could it be that the Christian actually loves the world, more than they love Christ? Could it be, that we actually have no desire to spend an entire day with the Creator, and that's why it's called legalistic? It's not like Jesus is asking us here to lay on our beds and stare at the roof in a boring state of idleness. He's asking us to come and spend time with Him. He is our God, and we are in a covenant relationship with Him. If we don't adhere to it, we break this covenant, and He is no longer our God. We may call Him our God, but sadly, He is not truly our God, for it is written:

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

In this prophecy lies the prophetic utterance that describes the doom of the churches who reject Christ and the law. The symbols of this prophecy are such: Seven, being the number representing perfection, and completeness. Women: representing churches. One man, that is Christ. Bread, which is the Word of God. Apparel, which is the Christian walk. So this is exactly what this verse is saying

In that day, all the churches shall take their hold upon Christ and say, we will eat our own bread (read the Bible however they want to read it), and wear our own apparel (walk however we so please) just let us be called Christians, to take away our reproach.

This is the exact direction that all the churches, and soon all those who reject Christ are headed. If we continue to call Him Lord, but we can't even spend an entire day with Him without calling it legalism, what shall be the end of us, who do not even know the Lord? As a matter of fact, how do you get to know someone you don't even spend time with? And thus, this sad, and fearful, denunciation must be pronounced upon those who reject the Sabbath of the Lord.

Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Christ will plainly declare to those who will not worship the Lord of the Sabbath, that He never knew them. And rightly so, for they refused to spend the quality time with Him that He asked them to do. And despite the fact that they claimed to do many wonderful works in His name, they in actuality never even knew Him. And so he declared, "Depart from me, ye that work iniquity." What is iniquity?

From G459; illegality, that is, violation of law or (generally) wickedness: - iniquity, X transgress (-ion of) the law, unrighteousness.

Iniquity is wickedness, the transgression of God's law, lawlessness. Christ will declare to the lawless Sabbath breakers, who never spent time with Him to truly get to know Him, "I never knew you. Depart from me ye that work iniquity."

True to SDA form.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I made it up? Are you seriously accusing me of lying, that there are not many people who declare Sabbath keeping to be legalism "to do some proselytizing"? Maybe it's that I have been around more than you have, but there are indeed "many" people who declare that keeping the Sabbath is legalism. I would be almost positive that everyone on the Sabbath forum here has heard this type of argument at least once, if not, multiple times.

It becomes a legalism when required, especially for salvation.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

While the Sabbath can be very beneficial and God will more than likely bless those that keep it since it is an actual commandment, it is NOT a salvation issue with it at the same time too. There is no where in the scriptures that says if you dont keep the Sabbath, you will go to hell.

Is it not a sin to not keep the 7th day Sabbath? After all it violates the 4th commandment.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Can you show us, in the Bible, where it states anything about changing the day God Commanded, before the cross? All the evidence I have seen used for replacing the seventh day comes from scripture that was penned, well after the crucifixion. From a legal perspective, all those arguments you say Paul makes about Sabbath are moot points, for the covenant was sealed at the cross... where did Christ say, before the cross, that Sabbath was changed to the first day? If He didn't and all was sealed with His blood, then you have no argument.

Boy, you left yourself wide open on your point. Jesus didn't say anything about any of the old covenant commandments nor did He say anything about the sacrificial system being replaced by Him. He didn't tell us to stop killing animals for Sabbath observance. Jesus did tell us that the Torah would remain until all was fulfilled (to bring to an end; finish or complete). He also said not one jot nor one tittle could be deleted from Torah until all the Torah is fulfilled. Do you contend that not all was fulfilled? That would mean that we are fully under all the laws of Torah, all 613 of them. Are you willing to change your belief system to include all the law?

I have been waiting for you to admit that Paul was wrong. That leaves me to believe that if John or Peter wrote something that put a wrinkle in your preconceived ideas that you would deny their writings too. The Bible tells us that both Paul and John were Jesus ambassadors to us. They both were fed by the Holy Spirit to relate His word. Maybe you should reconsider and for starters read Acts 1 and Acts 9.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All has not been fulfilled as the controversy is still being played out. There was much prophetic scripture yet to be fulfilled after Jesus said this and we are still experiencing last day fulfillments of scripture and will until He comes.

Of course I believe what Paul, et al, were inspired to write but my perspective has me see their words differently than you. In a passage where you see the Decalogue done away, I see the Mosaic law done away, etc... I see a continuation of God's wisdom and character where you see a change of course...

 

[bugkiller]

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All has not been fulfilled as the controversy is still being played out. There was much prophetic scripture yet to be fulfilled after Jesus said this and we are still experiencing last day fulfillments of scripture and will until He comes.

Of course I believe what Paul, et al, were inspired to write but my perspective has me see their words differently than you. In a passage where you see the Decalogue done away, I see the Mosaic law done away, etc... I see a continuation of God's wisdom and character where you see a change of course...

huh

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

All has not been fulfilled as the controversy is still being played out. There was much prophetic scripture yet to be fulfilled after Jesus said this and we are still experiencing last day fulfillments of scripture and will until He comes.

Of course I believe what Paul, et al, were inspired to write but my perspective has me see their words differently than you. In a passage where you see the Decalogue done away, I see the Mosaic law done away, etc... I see a continuation of God's wisdom and character where you see a change of course...

I am sorry we are not on the same tract. The Mosaic law includes the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments were written in the book of the law that God instructed Moses to write. My question to you is why, because you believe only part of the law was abrogated, do you practice the laws of clean and unclean meat and from those laws and doing so is an abomination and why do you believe in tithing 10 percent of your earnings? Both are part of the laws you deem you are not under.

You "see" things differently because of your preconceived beliefs. Paul was not speaking about part of the law, he was referring to Torah. That is easily proved. If you do not believe all the law was fulfilled then how do you get around the NOT one tittle or one Jot being removed from Torah until all is accomplished or fulfilled in Matt 5?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I am sorry we are not on the same tract. The Mosaic law includes the 10 commandments. The 10 commandments were written in the book of the law that God instructed Moses to write.

You know this isn't true Bob... please provide scripture showing the Decalogue was a part of the book of the law.

The only things inside the ark were the pot for manna, Aaron's budding staff and the tables of stone. The Mosaic laws were written on parchment and stored outside the ark. Combining the tables of stone and the ordinances on parchment is a common tactic of those opposed to the Sovereignty of God use to try and lump the two together.... yet, when it comes to something God put together as one document, the Law written in stone by His finger, they try and separate the 4th from the rest of the moral Law.... HERESY!! Adding to or taking from the Word has eternal consequences... what will your wages be?


Exodus 25:16, "And you shall put into the ark the testimony which I shall give you."
Exodus 31:18, "And when He had finished speaking with him upon Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God."

Deut 31:24-26
And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,
Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I made it up? Are you seriously accusing me of lying, that there are not many people who declare Sabbath keeping to be legalism "to do some proselytizing"? Maybe it's that I have been around more than you have, but there are indeed "many" people who declare that keeping the Sabbath is legalism. I would be almost positive that everyone on the Sabbath forum here has heard this type of argument at least once, if not, multiple times.

Maybe they were accusing you of being legalistic.

 

[BrianJK]

Is there any place in Scripture which indicates that the medium on which each part of the Law was written somehow affects whether that part of the Law is part of God's requirements for Gentle believers?

 

[RDKirk]

You know this isn't true Bob... please provide scripture showing the Decalogue was a part of the book of the law.

So that means the Decalogue was lost with the ark and did, indeed, disappear.

There are no Jews who do not consider the Decalogue part of the Mosaic Law, and very few Christians either.

 

[Bob S]

You know this isn't true Bob... please provide scripture showing the Decalogue was a part of the book of the law.

First you tell me I am lying then you ask me to provide scripture. Kinda funny isn't it? Well, here is the scripture to prove the 10 commandments are written in the book of the law. the following is God speaking to Moses and the Istaelites. At the end of God's speaking Moses rote down everything God had said.
20 And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods beforea]">[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”

20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

21 The people remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.

3 When Moses went and told the people all the Lord’s words and laws, they responded with one voice, “Everything the Lord has said we will do.” 4 Moses then wrote down everything the Lord had said.

He got up early the next morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain and set up twelve stone pillars representing the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 Then he sent young Israelite men, and they offered burnt offerings and sacrificed young bulls as fellowship offerings to the Lord. 6 Moses took half of the blood and put it in bowls, and the other half he splashed against the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.”

The only things inside the ark were the pot for manna, Aaron's budding staff and the tables of stone.

What is your point. Inside or outside the 10 commandments were in both locations.

The Mosaic laws were written on parchment and stored outside the ark. Combining the tables of stone and the ordinances on parchment is a common tactic of those opposed to the Sovereignty of God use to try and lump the two together.... yet, when it comes to something God put together as one document, the Law written in stone by His finger, they try and separate the 4th from the rest of the moral Law.... HERESY!! Adding to or taking from the Word has eternal consequences... what will your wages be?

The Sabbath was not a moral law, it was a ritual law pertaining only to Israel. The remainder of the 10 are laws dealing with morality, how we treat our fellow man and God. Morality is forever.