Personally, I don't check out the genitals of people I meet. How do think that you will know not to treat such a person as a woman? And what terrible thing would happen if you considered this person as presented, without checking? Do you ask about sexual orientation also?
I'm not trying to be silly here. The reality is if someone presents themselves as a male, the society will treat them as such. If they present as a female, the society will treat them as such. We are talking of public, social settings.
I'm not trying to be silly here. The reality is if someone presents themselves as a male, the society will treat them as such. If they present as a female, the society will treat them as such. We are talking of public, social settings.
Commonly? I don't have a large community of trans that I intermingle with so as to say that. But I have heard it on more than one occasion.Fair enough. Commonly? Because I have spoken to several (though hardly a majority) and I have never heard it and I've never said it myself.
Those of you who have a penis expect to fit in well in a women's room.Yes, because those of us who have developed breasts are going to fit in so well in a men's room.
That's do-able.That's odd, because my gym has that exact accomodation. Curtained off showers... not that expensive. Curtained off changing areas... not that expensive.
Again, if penis' are fine in the women's room. Oh, but that's tucked up, right? Well, the breasts of trans-men are usually either surgically removed or they're strapped down. And since going topless isn't necessary in a men's room, the chest area in a men's room isn't really an issue now is it?So your solution is that people who don't really fit in either category go where their genitals belong, regardless of how it looks when they walk in. Because exposing your genitals is required (apparently). You assume that, I suppose, everyone MtF who undergoes transition looks male until the moment they get surgery, then they look female. So there won't be any question when someone who responds to hormones better, or who transitioned earlier, or even someone who (for whatever reason) just looks more female to start, isn't going to be questioned when using the men's locker room.
Breasts are fine in the men's room? Please clarify.
It is insulting to those with the health issues like what you named that you equate something like heart disease to transgenderism.
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a heart defect is not a heart disease. A person can be born with a hole in their heart, or be born with their heart on the right side of their body, rather than the left side...this is not a heart disease. Heart disease would be cardiovascular disease, related to smoking, eating unhealthy, lack of activity....etc.
Not every prostitute is a victim of human trafficking. . . not even most I would say. Some are and they are victims. The ones who chose that lifestyle on their own are not victims.
tad bit more difficult when you have a teacher that wants his class referring to him a mr. k and then looking like this:
then changes his name to marla.
Those of you who have a penis expect to fit in well in a women's room.
I've not ever seen a trans-male that allows her breasts to be obvious. Also, I can't imagine where it would be necessary for a trans-male go go topless in the men's room, so that the breast issue wouldn't actually be one.
Again, if penis' are fine in the women's room. Oh, but that's tucked up, right? Well, the breasts of trans-men are usually either surgically removed or they're strapped down. And since going topless isn't necessary in a men's room, the chest area in a men's room isn't really an issue now is it?
That's do-able.
I have spent some time thinking about your list of ways you expect to be treated as a Cherokee. Just to be sure, despite this being rather off topic, is this what it means to you to identify as Cherokee?
And quite frankly if we can just be whatever we "feel" we are and expect people to treat us that way. . . then I see some very dark days for humanity ahead as everyone will soon devolve themselves into a fantasy world that their peers will be forced to play along with.
And that this is acceptable. . . then why in the world is it not acceptable for someone to change races or ethnicity and expect everyone to treat them as a member of a different race or ethnic group?
This actually can happen. I mean, the best example I can give is a conversion to Judaism. They become part of the Jewish "race" or ethnic group. I've seen other groups with similar practices.
I don't understand why people on either side are so hung up on who goes into which bathroom or even lockerroom.
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I can't speak for all trans people, but this is how this impacts me. I don't expect to be treated like a female, I just hope for it. I am not transitioning to be treated like a female. I am not transitioning because of some desire to break into the other bathroom or locker room. I am not doing so to be on sports teams. I am transitioning because my body is not me, not comfortable and disgusts me. I am transitioning for me, not society.
I believe that my brain is actually an important part of me. It tells me my body is wrong. You believe otherwise. I can't do anything about that.
I don't think there are many trans people who are transitioning because they want access to other bathrooms, locker rooms, sports teams, etc. I think it is more likely that they are transitioning and they still want to play sports and they don't want to be outed on a constant basis, because that does actually create a danger. So a person wearing a dress wants to quietly go into the women's bathroom because going into the men's room in a dress grabs attention.
People like what they like, want what they want no matter what their situation in life is. I don't think that it is too much to ask for people to be treated with respect. There are going to be indecent people and troublemakers no matter what you do. The assumption that we all have some nefarious purpose is unsupportable (not saying you are doing this, but I have seen some who do believe this).
Frankly, I expect to get treated like garbage or as a freak most of the time. Fortunately for me, I most often don't. Oddly, I get more trouble here than I do in real life where people actually see me. Internet anonymity I guess.
Because I don't want to be in the men's bathroom with a person who's really a woman.
And I don't want my wife in the women's bathroom with someone who's really a man.
I mean honestly if that's how we're gonna treat this then we might as well just go for broke, eliminate men's and women's restrooms and just make one big public restroom where everyone goes to the bathroom.
Until then though the men's bathroom should be only for people who where born with male genetila and vice versa.
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