Leftist totalitarian mindset

[Lukaris]

Former Vice President Mike Pence spoke at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire on Thursday October 31st. He has not endorsed Trump and definitely has not endorsed the leftist ticket either. Mr Pence is worthy of respect across the political board and reasonable, liberal Dartmouth faculty said so. The reasonable liberal faculty definitely do not agree with Pence’s conservatism but appreciate discourse. His perspective is truly genuine and unique and any reasonable person would think so.

Liberals have a strong resource in Mike Pence’s experience to form arguments against Donald Trump. Pence remains a genuine conservative avoiding the parade of “republicans” who are anti Trump and support the leftist ticket.

What reinforces my view from this article that discussion with probably most leftists is a waste is a statement from a Dartmouth “history professor” .


From the article:

“Universities are places for debating ideas. These are not ideas that are in need of a platform or in need of further debate,” Dartmouth history professor Bethany Moreton said.


Inviting Pence to campus “is about a redundant affinity for power that is unrelated to the quality of ideas and their fitness for intellectual engagement,” she added.”

There were the protester mob present of course but they seem to be the puppets of the likes of the alleged “history professor” quoted above. She doesn’t want to discuss anything because she is evidently always right in the legend of her own mind.

The article seems to permit 2 reads until a paywall is hit.

On eve of vote, Pence talks politics at Dartmouth

HANOVER — Former Vice President Mike Pence outlined his concerns for the Republican Party and the future of American democracy inside the Hanover Inn Thursday evening as about two dozen people gathered on the sidewalk outside to protest his record on...

www.vnews.com

 

[Larniavc]

What could Pence reasonably bring apart from his ultra religious conservatism?

 

[Lukaris]

What could Pence reasonably bring apart from his ultra religious conservatism?

The issue is whether he is permitted to. He can presently but if full fledged leftists are in control, will that still be allowed?

 

[BCP1928]

The issue is whether he is permitted to. He can presently but if full fledged leftists are in control, will that still be allowed?

You can certainly pretend it won't be, if it makes you feel better.

 

[Lukaris]

You can certainly pretend it won't be, if it makes you feel better.

It seems clear to me that the “history professor” I quoted does not want Pence to be able to present his views. I surely would not want to hear her views or be captive to them for her paycheck but would still not want to prevent her pathetic expression either.

 

[Larniavc]

The issue is whether he is permitted to. He can presently but if full fledged leftists are in control, will that still be allowed?

Ah so this has not actually happened?

Sorry, I thought this was more than someone’s vivid imagination at play.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

There were the protester mob present of course but they seem to be the puppets of the likes of the alleged “history professor” quoted above. She doesn’t want to discuss anything because she is evidently always right in the legend of her own mind.

You left off the preceding paragraph before her quote, which provides context. Full context below:

Some of those protesting outside the venue questioned the decision to bring Pence to campus given his long record of opposing same-sex marriage and equal rights for LGBTQ+ Americans.

“Universities are places for debating ideas. These are not ideas that are in need of a platform or in need of further debate,” Dartmouth history professor Bethany Moreton said.

Inviting Pence to campus “is about a redundant affinity for power that is unrelated to the quality of ideas and their fitness for intellectual engagement,” she added.

That preceding paragraph makes it clear that she's objecting to the university giving a platform to someone who opposes LGBT rights, not that she doesn't want to discuss anything or that she thinks she's always right.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Employee (I assume that's what a “history professor” is) expresses opinion. News at 11.

 

[zippy2006]

“Universities are places for debating ideas. These are not ideas that are in need of a platform or in need of further debate,” Dartmouth history professor Bethany Moreton said.

That preceding paragraph makes it clear that she's objecting to the university giving a platform to someone who opposes LGBT rights

Pretext for censorship.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Pretext for censorship.

How so? She's not in any position of power.

 

[zippy2006]

How so? She's not in any position of power.

Supposing she is not for the sake of argument, how would that undercut her argument for censorship? Do you think that only people in positions of power can argue for censorship?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Supposing she is not for the sake of argument, how would that undercut her argument for censorship? Do you think that only people in positions of power can argue for censorship?

You said "pretext," not "argument". Those aren't synonyms. A pretext is a (usually false) justification for an action. An argument is a presentation of an opinion.

If she has no power to do anything, then nothing she says can be considered a pretext for an action because she cannot take any action.

Is she arguing for censorship? Yeah, kinda - at least on a micro level. However, I think it's perfectly reasonable for an organization to reject a speaker on the grounds that their values do not align. If someone wants to invite a porn star to speak at a church and church leadership says no, is that censorship? And, again, she holds no power, so her argument is unlikely to result in any action. It certainly didn't stop Pence from speaking.

 

[durangodawood]

"Leftist"

That sounds a little too strident a label for the 50+ % of American voters who voted against Trump in the last couple elections, and probably this one too.

But maybe this is about some extreme left faction off in the margins?

 

[zippy2006]

You said "pretext," not "argument". Those aren't synonyms. A pretext is a (usually false) justification for an action. An argument is a presentation of an opinion.

If you don't like "argument" then try something like "grounds." Presumably she would not admit that she is promoting censorship, hence 'pretext.'

If she has no power to do anything, then nothing she says can be considered a pretext for an action because she cannot take any action.

She has power to favor a position, officially or unofficially. That's all she needs.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

If you don't like "argument" then try something like "grounds." Presumably she would not admit that she is promoting censorship, hence 'pretext.'

Now you're making no sense whatsoever.

She has power to favor a position, officially or unofficially. That's all she needs.

Is she arguing for censorship? Yeah, kinda - at least on a micro level. However, I think it's perfectly reasonable for an organization to reject a speaker on the grounds that their values do not align. If someone wants to invite a porn star to speak at a church and church leadership says no, is that censorship? Do you oppose the censorship enforced by this site regarding positions that cannot be advocated and things that cannot be said? And, again, she holds no power, so her argument is unlikely to result in any action. It certainly didn't stop Pence from speaking.

 

[zippy2006]

However, I think it's perfectly reasonable for an organization to reject a speaker on the grounds that their values do not align.

Then you've pivoted and moved the goalposts.

If someone wants to invite a porn star to speak at a church and church leadership says no, is that censorship?

Is a church a university?

 

[BCP1928]

Supposing she is not for the sake of argument, how would that undercut her argument for censorship? Do you think that only people in positions of power can argue for censorship?

Anyone is free to argue for censorship. But she was only arguing that he shouldn't be allowed to speak at Dartmouth (a private, not public university) not that he shouldn't be allowed to speak at all. Would people complain if Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at Dallas Seminary? Would that be a call for censorship?

 

[zippy2006]

Anyone is free to argue for censorship...

Folks like you and @RocksInMyHead need to figure out if you agree with Moreton that, "Universities are places for debating ideas..."

 

[Bradskii]

Folks like you and @RocksInMyHead need to figure out if you agree with Moreton that, "Universities are places for debating ideas..."

The talk seemed to be an excellent advertisement for that view. And it also seemed like a good example of free speech as well. Ticks two boxes.

 

[Lukaris]

"Leftist"

That sounds a little too strident a label for the 50+ % of American voters who voted against Trump in the last couple elections, and probably this one too.

But maybe this is about some extreme left faction off in the margins?

Employee (I assume that's what a “history professor” is) expresses opinion. News at 11.

Employee that could also become dean but that would be fine for some I imagine.