learning God's will

[bricklayer]

One learns God's will by what comes next.

 

[twin1954]

One learns God's will by what comes next.

Learning God's will isn't the problem. I have never had any trouble knowing what I ought to do. Doing God's will is the difficult thing.

I know that wasn't what you meant. You meant to say that whatever happens is God's will and I agree. But far too often that is taken as an excuse to sit on our hands and do nothing.

 

[bricklayer]

Learning God's will isn't the problem. I have never had any trouble knowing what I ought to do. Doing God's will is the difficult thing.

I know that wasn't what you meant. You meant to say that whatever happens is God's will and I agree. But far too often that is taken as an excuse to sit on our hands and do nothing.

Sin does not occur against God's will. Nothing occurs against God's will.
Sin did not occur against God's will even though it is against God's nature.
Nothing occurs in a novel work against the author's will even if it is against the author's nature.

 

[heirmiles]

"Nothing occurs against God's will".

That would limit God's will to "only the enacting force of His omnipotence", regardless of motive, intent, desire, or nature. That makes God the active agent and cause of all actions, regardless of the nature of those actions, and thus relieving all moral and ethical responsibility of those forced to act according to that continual action of omnipotence.

 

[bricklayer]

"Nothing occurs against God's will".

That would limit God's will to "only the enacting force of His omnipotence", regardless of motive, intent, desire, or nature. That makes God the active agent and cause of all actions, regardless of the nature of those actions, and thus relieving all moral and ethical responsibility of those forced to act according to that continual action of omnipotence.

God is exactly one person removed from sin as is an author.
One would not hold an author responsible for the sins of his characters.

 

[heirmiles]

As that which is infinite is infinitely separated from the finite, the actions of the finite are infinitely separated from the infinite. The imminent by its infinite nature and character is infinitely separated in relation to the finite by the finite's actions that transgress the nature of the infinite. The separation caused by sin is infinite, a separation that can only be bridged by the will and action of the infinite.

 

[bricklayer]

As that which is infinite is infinitely separated from the finite, the actions of the finite are infinitely separated from the infinite. The imminent by its infinite nature and character is infinitely separated in relation to the finite by the finites actions that transgress the nature of the infinite. The separation caused by sin is infinite, a separation that can only be bridged by the will and action of the infinite.

My goodness, I wish that I had written the above.
I will not forget the above observation; God help me.

Thank you, heir miles.

No one would hold an author accountable for the sins of his characters. the author is exactly one person removed from the sins of his characters.
An author is just as finite as are his characters; therefore, the difference between them is finite.

God is not accountable for the sins of His creatures. God is exactly one person removed from the sins of His creatures. However, God is infinite; therefore, the difference between Creator and creature is infinite.

If an author is removed from the sins of his characters, God is infinitely removed from the sins of His creatures.

 

[Eddie L]

No one would hold an author accountable for the sins of his characters. the author is exactly one person removed from the sins of his characters.

One of the wondrous aspects of our personal God is that He has written Himself into the story via the "characters" of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is the Infinite connecting to the finite. When this happens, and God becomes a participant in His own creation, He only participates in ways that create good.

The Holy Spirit is a required connection between what you guys are calling the Infinite and the finite. If God removed His Spirit's influence from creation, we'd have the closest thing to Hell that I can think of. If God left the Spirit and removed the influences of things evil, we have the closet definition to Heaven that I can think if.

 

[bricklayer]

One of the wondrous aspects of our personal God is that He has written Himself into the story via the "characters" of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is the Infinite connecting to the finite. When this happens, and God becomes a participant in His own creation,

That is a very good observation.

When an author writes himself into his novel work or when an author communicates with a character, that is called a condescension.
We do not dialog with God; He condescends to us.
God condescends to man in two ways: by the inspiration and incarnation of the Word of God.

 

[Eddie L]

He only participates in ways that create good.

You left that part out when you quoted me, and I think this is an important thing to focus on.

 

[bricklayer]

You left that part out when you quoted me, and I think this is an important thing to focus on.

It is true that all God created was good. It is also true that Adam sinned before he was a sinner. So, what changed?

 

[Eddie L]

It is true that all God created was good. It is also true that Adam sinned before he was a sinner. So, what changed?

You're changing the subject. My point is that when God writes himself into the story (via Christ and the Holy Spirit), it is always as an agent of good. Agreed?

If the 'finite' doesn't understand that, then it has missed the point of the story.

 

[bricklayer]

You're changing the subject. My point is that when God writes himself into the story (via Christ and the Holy Spirit), it is always as an agent of good. Agreed?

If the 'finite' doesn't understand that, then it has missed the point of the story.

Please forgive me, I glossed over that. I agree. What's more, God cannot do otherwise

Please see my thread in the Semper Reformanda section entitled "Why a creation with sin". I suspect that we are of like mind. I would value your observations.

By the way, way to stick up for God. You are so right. God is Good; He can only do good.