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One thing that I disagree with is that paying for dinner/tickets/whatever does not necessarily imply romantic intentions. I was having a bit of a chat with some guy friends about what their rules were for doign things with girls, and they agreed that along with opening doors and offering their coat if she's cold, is paying (or at least offering to pay) for meals. One of them said he feels pretty awkward if the girl pays -- like she's not letting him be a gentelman. Judging by observation, I don't think he just meant dates either.
I agree, I don't understand why he still came to visit her if he wasn't interested. I don't nessacerially think he was a jerk; I think he was probably confused about his feelings toward her. But he was asked outright about his intentions. I dated a guy for nearly 2 years, and he told me almost everyday he liked me, wanted to be with me, we made plans for the future together. when I first met him I didn't even give him the time of day and he flatout pursured a friendship with me and then made it extremely clear he was pursuing a romantic relationship with me. I gave in and dated him for a year and a half and in the end he told me he didn't have feelings for me. I mean at what point was I supposed to read his mind, b/c his actions and words told me another story. I think it's more than the girl is just stupid and discusting. Maybe no one needs to halfway pursue someone unless they are sure that they really like the person.

One thing that I disagree with is that paying for dinner/tickets/whatever does not necessarily imply romantic intentions. I was having a bit of a chat with some guy friends about what their rules were for doign things with girls, and they agreed that along with opening doors and offering their coat if she's cold, is paying (or at least offering to pay) for meals. One of them said he feels pretty awkward if the girl pays -- like she's not letting him be a gentelman. Judging by observation, I don't think he just meant dates either.
That makes what an actual date is very very confusing. If i took a girl out and paid for everything,,,and this went on a few times.... the girl should make it clear that she is or is not interested. Its not wrong if she doesn't, but 9.9999999 out of 10 guy don't pay for things unless they expect something in return. Its common sense.
I actually agree with both. It is very confusing, but it does happen. I think it's a Christian guy/raised to be gentelmanly thing.Regardless, from my experience; a guy can do all of the above, invite you out, take you to movies, pay for tickets, outings, open doors, offer their coat, even have you over and make you dinner, and tons of other related things; yet still end up saying they are uninterested.

I would actually consider the case posted in the OP article to be a good example. She did ask about his intentions, he answered positivly, but as soon as the glow had faded (or he figured out what he had really mean... not sure which), he backtracked and said that he never really meant "date" to be "persuing a romantic relationship" in the first place. So rather than clarity, all she got out of asking was resentment.sometimes even when you ask,it's confusing. I used to ask my ex all the time what his intentions were, even after months of dating exclusively. and he would tell me what he wanted from our relationship, which was exciting and lovely to me b/c I was deep in prayer about him and I agreed it was what I wanted too. And I thought it was what God wanted and He was leading us together. This is what scares me so much about trusting a guy that seems interested. I don't know maybe I was just stupid and discusting after all. I really don't know anymore.
ok, i guess mine wasn't a good example then, lol, ok. a good example of what though?I would actually consider the case posted in the OP article to be a good example. She did ask about his intentions, he answered positivly, but as soon as the glow had faded (or he figured out what he had really mean... not sure which), he backtracked and said that he never really meant "date" to be "persuing a romantic relationship" in the first place. So rather than clarity, all she got out of asking was resentment.
I was just confused, lol like always, I didn't know what it was an example ofWell, yours is a good example too... I was saying that you and the article writer had the same issue going on... Sorry if I said it wrong!
But I wish he'd admitted that to her when she asked. He could have said that he'd been hoping for more, but the time together had made him realize it wasn't going to work, and he was disappointed about that. That would have been honest, and would have left her a little dignity.
OK, it's starting to make sense. He was interested, and then lost interest when they actually got together. I can buy that. It happens. But I wish he'd admitted that to her when she asked. He could have said that he'd been hoping for more, but the time together had made him realize it wasn't going to work, and he was disappointed about that. That would have been honest, and would have left her a little dignity.
And I agree that both men and women play games like this.