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The church generally updates manuals every 10 - 20 years, both to reflect current teachings and to maintain active copyrights.
Your manual is simply out of date.
The church generally updates manuals every 10 - 20 years, both to reflect current teachings and to maintain active copyrights.
Your manual is simply out of date.
No, that's not what I am saying. I am saying that it is as logical that man may become like his Creator (provided his Creator is his "Father") as it is for a baby to grow and become a man. The end result of both is the design and purpose of its creation.Okay, then you are saying that it is logical that god was once a man who was born on another world and "exalted" to godhood by the god of that world...whom, you have told me, that you do not know, nor have any dealings of any kind with.
Now, you are confusing me again...
No, that's not what I am saying. I am saying that it is as logical that man may become like his Creator (provided his Creator is his "Father") as it is for a baby to grow and become a man. The end result of both is the design and purpose of its creation.
Originally Posted by Wryetui View Post
What supports the idea of God the Father being once a mortal and living elsewhere, and how do you find it logical, if I may ask?
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As far as logic is concerned, I find it as (strictly) logical as I do the idea that a baby grows and becomes a man.
This is something that has been presented to the church by Joseph Smith, Lorenzo Snow, and a few others. It is not something the Father nor Jesus comes right out and says. Jesus said what the Father taught Him to say. I posit to you that this question lies in the oracles of God discussed in Hebrews 5. To understand it, takes understanding the gospel beyond the basic presentation of salvation, and into the atonement, which is Christ's greatest teaching to us. If we understand Christ, we can begin to understand this concept.What supports the idea of God the Father being once a mortal and living elsewhere, and how do you find it logical, if I may ask?
about what?But, the Bible is very clear
The Bible is also clear that He would send more prophets such as the two witnesses of Rev 12:11. Jesus told us that we shall know them by their fruits - not that He would send no more. I too had this question and went to God with it, and I was shown who the false prophet of Revelation is. You know him because the whole world got led astray by the sorceries of his church. And he even exalts himself with the name of Holy Father which is reserved to our Heavenly Father. And he ruled over the kings of the earth after introducing the curia government of the Roman empire and the office of the pontifex maximus into the church. Do you believe Jesus would accept the office of the head of the Roman college of pontiffs? And he rules from the 8th mount across the river from that great city of 7 mounts. Rev 17:9-11why don't you think that those prophets of your church are the false prophets Jesus said in the Bible that will come to fool people?
Exactly what teachings are you referring to? I have only shown what the Bible says. What about that would offend Him? Don't you believe it is more offensive for man to tell God His nature than vice versa? In fact only a minority of the bishops of the church ruled upon the Nicene Creed: some 325 out of more than 1200. And they contradicted a prior council which excommunicated a bishop for using "homoousios" of God - the very word the Nicene council adopted. Did you know that? And they are "telling God" that His Son was "begotten before all ages or worlds" when God says he begot Jesus when He told Him "thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee." There were Eastern councils which tried to reverse the effects of the Nicene Creed. I side with scripture on the subject - that Christ was indeed adopted as the Son by the Father.They look like that to me. I am sorry to say this, but your teachings offend God, in my opinion...
In the Bible it is said about false prophets that will come and fool people,
No, when I referred to teachings that offend God I wasn't talking about you and your theories, I was talking about the teachings of the LDS. I'm not anyone who talk in the name of God, but what can I say... Concerning what you think about Jesus, I respect that you have your own theories, but I prefer to stick with the church Jesus founded and follow their doctrineabout what?
that Jesus is the only servant who will receive His glory Isa 42?
and is His elect inheritor of His government and holy mountains per Isa 65?
and shall be called the Eternal Father and the Mighty God per Isa 9:6?
The Bible is also clear that He would send more prophets such as the two witnesses of Rev 12:11. Jesus told us that we shall know them by their fruits - not that He would send no more. I too had this question and went to God with it, and I was shown who the false prophet of Revelation is. You know him because the whole world got led astray by the sorceries of his church. And he even exalts himself with the name of Holy Father which is reserved to our Heavenly Father. And he ruled over the kings of the earth after introducing the curia government of the Roman empire and the office of the pontifex maximus into the church. Do you believe Jesus would accept the office of the head of the Roman college of pontiffs? And he rules from the 8th mount across the river from that great city of 7 mounts. Rev 17:9-11
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
So this city once had the truth and the light shone there, but lost the truth in its sorceries, and all nations were deceived in apostasy.
Exactly what teachings are you referring to? I have only shown what the Bible says. What about that would offend Him? Don't you believe it is more offensive for man to tell God His nature than vice versa? In fact only a minority of the bishops of the church ruled upon the Nicene Creed: some 325 out of more than 1200. And they contradicted a prior council which excommunicated a bishop for using "homoousios" of God - the very word the Nicene council adopted. Did you know that? And they are "telling God" that His Son was "begotten before all ages or worlds" when God says he begot Jesus when He told Him "thou art my Son, this day I have begotten thee." There were Eastern councils which tried to reverse the effects of the Nicene Creed. I side with scripture on the subject - that Christ was indeed adopted as the Son by the Father.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
If the Son inherited His office as the Son, and now shall inherit the government of the Father, and is the way to the holiest of all, exactly what am I missing?
I have given you various scriptures on the subject. You have alleged that the Bible is clear, but have offered no scriptures - leaving me to kind of guess as to your objections. So if you feel strongly about it, you'll have to give some specifics so I am not just shooting in the dark, and can address your objections with specificity.
Cheers.
It is a valid question you raise. Paul taught that we are to "prove all things," and that is what I have done with the Restored Gospel. I cannot speak for others.In the Bible it is said about false prophets that will come and fool people, I do not want to insult you or your faith, but what if those prophet of yours were those false prophets that the Bible talks about? I repeat, I'm not trying to insult anyone, it is just a question.
It is a valid question you raise. Paul taught that we are to "prove all things," and that is what I have done with the Restored Gospel. I cannot speak for others.
While I respect the Eastern Orthodox as the peaceful branch of the early church, it was not the only one. There were the Syrian church, and the Church of the East which was basically destroyed by the Muslim ruler Tamerlane. They of course felt they were preserving the truth too.No, when I referred to teachings that offend God I wasn't talking about you and your theories, I was talking about the teachings of the LDS. I'm not anyone who talk in the name of God, but what can I say... Concerning what you think about Jesus, I respect that you have your own theories, but I prefer to stick with the church Jesus founded and follow their doctrine
Yep - not some creeds of a state sponsored church some hundreds of years in the future. So I highly advise readers to follow Paul's advice and search the Bible and compare them to the creeds. I have even prepared a brief study guide to point out the differences using only the scriptures in the Bible:Here is Paul's method....
Acts 17:11
These {Bereans}were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
My "proving" of the Restored Gospel has already addressed such charges.Here is Paul's method....
Acts 17:11
These {Bereans}were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
The "restored" gospel invents new Scriptures and the JST changes Scriptures (ex. Romans 8:30) when they contradict the gospel of Joseph Smith
My "proving" of the Restored Gospel has already addressed such charges.
So, wait...are you saying that truth changes every ten to twenty years?
Yep - not some creeds of a state sponsored church some hundreds of years in the future. So I highly advise readers to follow Paul's advice and search the Bible and compare them to the creeds. I have even prepared a brief study guide to point out the differences using only the scriptures in the Bible:
..................................................Bible vs Roman Creeds/Trinitarianism
Where in any creed do you see anything resembling compulsion or fear, or persecution? Can you show me where any creed says any such thing?
Bible - Covenant with God, Isaiah 61:6-8.........................................Roman Creeds - words from where?
"man shall live by every word of God" Luke 4:4.................... promulgated under the maximum priest of Roman gods
Rome is the Beast of Daniel 7:19-20 ................................(pontifex = builder of the way/roads) Pontifex Maximus office
and Rev 13, Rev 17 Woman on beast ...............................of Constantine and later Bishop of Rome (Roman Church)
Mystery, Babylon 1 Peter 5:13, Rev 17:5................................Babylon was beast of Dan 7:4 and head of image Dan 2
You seem to be mixing rather a great deal of "end time prophecy" into your study. Why? These have nothing whatsoever to do with any creeds, that I ever heard of, and, just in case you didn't know, most mainline churches, while they may have their own ideas about the end of time, don't really emphasize it too much.
Apostles and Christians had no .................................................................. none 33 A.D - 325 A.D.
creeds for 3 centuries and were persecuted .............................approx 325 Nicea 1st Creed -required by Roman law ............................................................................................to be read in churches - persecution stops
Now, I was not aware of any law that said that any church must read a creed.
Elohim - a plural Hebrew noun ex. Family .....................Deity(Latin) - a singular "god" idea/word from Rome & Greece
Yes, we've talked about this before. I still don't quite see what you're getting at...
Gen 1:26 "And Eloheim said let US..............................................Rome is beast of Dan 7:19-20, Dan 2 kingdom of iron
make man in OUR image." (includes Father & Son).........................Greece is beast of Dan 7:6, Dan 2 kingdom of brass
God created the world through Jesus Christ Eph 3:9......................Persia is beast of Dan 7:5, Dan 2 kingdom of silver
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Babylon is beast of Dan 7:4, Dan 2 head of gold
Okay, you have completely lost me here.What does Daniel's vision have to do with Creation?
Godhead Acts 17:29 KJV, Col 2:9, Ps 82:1..........................Trinity - coined by Tertullian who also said the Son had a ........................................................................................beginning - sorry Trins
First, can you explain, please, what is meant by "Godhead"? "Trinity" is nothing more than a sort of shorthand way of saying "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are ONE". Which is pretty much the same thing as saying that they are all a part of the Godhead.
https://www.lds.org/topics/godhead?lang=eng.......................... ANF03. Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian
I'd love to see you work the Bereans into that one...
"The Father and I are one"
Father - Most High(El Elyon) - Psalms 47:2-3, Psalms 110:1, Acts 7:55...................Father "co-equal, one substance, ............................................................. .........................................................one being" the Almighty
YES! And??
Son - Holy One of Israel - Isaiah 54:5 KJV, Acts 13:35....................Son "co-equal, co-substantial, one being"
Son of the Most High, servant - Isaiah 42:1, 6, 8, .................................... Son of the Almighty God
Almost there....Son "co-equal, co-substantial, one being"
"Enough Breast" (El Shaddai) - Rev 1:8, 4:8, Jn 8:58, Gen 17:1 ...................per Apostles Creed and others''
What does the one have to do with the other?
"The Father is greater than I."
"Who hath seen me, hath seen the Father."
"Whatsoever the Father doeth the Son doeth likewise." "I am the way." Jn 14:6
Inheritor - now on right hand, but will sit in Father's stead & be called Father .......... immutable - Son forever ................................................................................................Platonic/Aristotlian(Greece again) concept
Isaiah 9:6, "inheritor of my mountains" Isaiah 65:9; Heb 1:4.......................but already "co-equal"; denies ...........................................................................................................inheritance; enemy to Christ
Under the Hebraic law, the firstborn or begotten inherited all his father had.
Actually, I think the firstborn got a double portion.
PRIMOGENITURE - JewishEncyclopedia.com
to be continued....
Really? And how did "Paul's method" pan out for the Bereans?Here is Paul's method....
Acts 17:11
These {Bereans}were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Really? And how did "Paul's method" pan out for the Bereans?
I think saying that God the Father was once human in another planet and then became God is more offensive. So who started it all? We cannot have an infinite regression of humans on another planets becoming gods so, someone must have started it, who did?Don't you believe it is more offensive for man to tell God His nature than vice versa? In fact only a minority of the bishops of the church ruled upon the Nicene Creed
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