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LDS Grace and Other Blessings

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Doctrine and Covenants 130
[SUP] 20[/SUP] There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which ALL blessings are predicated—

[SUP]21[/SUP] And when we obtain ANY blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.


This means, per Mormonism, that you must be deserving of any and every blessing you receive from God.

“Actions truly do speak louder than words. In fact, actions mean much more to the Lord than words. The Lord declared in the Doctrine and Covenants, ‘If thou lovest me thou shalt serve me and keep all my commandments’ (D&C 42:29).”
Richard J. Maynes, “Keeping Our Covenants,” Ensign, Nov. 2004, 94

“As we walk in obedience to the principles and commandments of the gospel of Jesus Christ, we enjoy a continual flow of blessings promised by God in His covenant with us. Those blessings provide the resources we need to act rather than simply be acted upon as we go through life.”
- D. Todd Christofferson, “The Power of Covenants,” Ensign, May 2009, 21

"In these latter days, the Lord revealed that 'when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated' (D&C 130:21). The Lord makes generous promises, and He certifies that He will not vary from these promises, for, said He, 'I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise' (D&C 82:10)."
Spencer J. Condie, "Claim the Exceeding Great and Precious Promises," Ensign, Nov. 2007, 16


Joseph Smith made his religion up as he went along and sometimes it contradicted previous revelations.

Here's an example:

Alma 34
[SUP]36[/SUP] And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through the blood of the Lamb.


Doctrine and Covenants 130
[SUP]3[/SUP] John 14:23—The appearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal appearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son dwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian notion, and is false.

and:

2 Nephi 2
[SUP]8[/SUP] Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.

3 Nephi 12:20
[SUP]20[/SUP]Therefore come unto me and be ye saved; for verily I say unto you, that except ye shall keep my commandments, which I have commanded you at this time, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


The truth is that we are saved by grace only after all we ourselves can do. (See 2 Ne. 25:23.) There will be no government dole which can get us through the pearly gates. Nor will anybody go into the celestial kingdom who wants to go there on the works of someone else. Every man must go through on his own merits. We might just as well learn this here and now.

- Marion G. Romney, “‘In Mine Own Way’,” Ensign, Nov 1976, 123

Obedience to the law of heaven is an essential condition of salvation, and an essential condition in heaven."
— Rulon S. Wells, "Conference Report", April 1936, p.39

“The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. All of the principles of the gospel are principles of promise by which the plans of the Almighty are unfolded to us” (Harold B. Lee, Ye Are the Light of the World, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1974, p. 245).
- Richard G. Scott, “Acquiring Spiritual Knowledge,” Ensign, Nov. 1993, p. 86

Justice guarantees that you will receive the blessings you earn for obeying the laws of God. Justice also requires that every broken law be satisfied. When you obey the laws of God, you are blessed, but there is no additional credit earned that can be saved to satisfy the laws that you break.
- Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign, Nov 2006, 40–42

The demands of justice for broken law can be satisfied through mercy, earned by your continual repentance and obedience to the laws of God. Such repentance and obedience are absolutely essential for the Atonement to work its complete miracle in your life. The Redeemer can settle your individual account with justice and grant forgiveness through the merciful path of your repentance. Through the Atonement you can live in a world where justice assures that you will retain what you earn by obedience. Through His mercy you can resolve the consequences of broken laws.
- Richard G. Scott, “The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign, Nov 2006, 40–42

[SUP]27[/SUP] And no man receiveth a fulness unless he keepeth his commandments.
[SUP]28[/SUP] He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things.
D&C 93

E. Through the Atonement and by obedience to God’s commandments, we can receive eternal life.
■ “To get salvation we must not only do some things, but everything which God has commanded. Men may preach and practice everything except those things which God commands us to do, and will be damned at last. We may tithe mint and rue, and all manner of herbs, and still not obey the commandments of God. The object with me is to obey and teach others to obey God in just what He tells us to do. It mattereth not whether the principle is popular or unpopular, I will always maintain a true principle, even if I stand alone in it” (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 332).
Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, (2000) Chapter 17: Obedience, A Law of Heaven

I hope this is helpful to some.
 
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This means, per Mormonism, that you must be deserving of any and every blessing you receive from God.

This is another twisting of LDS doctrine. None of us are deserving of the blessings we receive. Period. God blesses us and when we follow the commandments we are blessed even more. Just because we show obedience that doesn't mean we deserve the blessings that are given to us. That part would be something you added.

Now if you want to talk about whether or not we receive blessings for obeying God, then I'll be happy to post dozens of Bible quotes that demonstrate that principle quite clearly.


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I never said that God doesn't bless the obedient. So please don't twist my words.

"To get salvation we must not only do some things, but everything which God has commanded…"
- Joseph Smith

Doctrine and Covenants 82:10
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.
 
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mer·it
ˈmerət/
noun
1.
the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.


"The truth is that we are saved by grace only after all we ourselves can do. (See 2 Ne. 25:23.) There will be no government dole which can get us through the pearly gates. Nor will anybody go into the celestial kingdom who wants to go there on the works of someone else. Every man must go through on his own merits. We might just as well learn this here and now."
Marion G. Romney, “‘In Mine Own Way’,” Ensign, Nov 1976, 123


"But the promise was followed with this caution: 'But if they will not hearken to my voice, nor unto the voice of these men whom I have appointed, they shall not be blest' (D&C 124:46)."
Boyd K. Packer, "The Twelve Apostles," Ensign, Nov. 1996, 8
 
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I never said that God doesn't bless the obedient. So please don't twist my words.

And I did not make any such claim. Please, point out which of your words that I twisted, because I'm pretty sure that all I did is single out your use of deserving. If you used deserving in your comment and I used the proper meaning of it, how did I twist your words?


"To get salvation we must not only do some things, but everything which God has commanded…"
- Joseph Smith

Doctrine and Covenants 82:10
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.

I'd be happy to compare quotes with the Bible, which also contains many, many verses about doing as God commands and being blessed by it. If there is a problem, it also exists in the Bible. Which means that either the Bible teaches problematic lessons that you oppose, or else there is more to the topic than what you are presenting.


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And I did not make any such claim. Please, point out which of your words that I twisted, because I'm pretty sure that all I did is single out your use of deserving. If you used deserving in your comment and I used the proper meaning of it, how did I twist your words?


I'd be happy to compare quotes with the Bible, which also contains many, many verses about doing as God commands and being blessed by it. If there is a problem, it also exists in the Bible. Which means that either the Bible teaches problematic lessons that you oppose, or else there is more to the topic than what you are presenting.

I already acknowledged that God blesses our obedience. But He blesses us even when we have fallen short of His glory.
 
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Bit harsh!

What is the point you are making with this thread Phoebe, I'm not sure what your purpose is? :)


"This means, per Mormonism, that you must be deserving of any and every blessing you receive from God."
 
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"This means, per Mormonism, that you must be deserving of any and every blessing you receive from God."

This is what it means to Phoebe Ann. It is not what it means to the LDS. I have already pointed out that, like grace, we are not deserving of the blessings we receive. However, God still blesses us when we obey. And when we obey there is a blessing associated with that action. I'm more than happy to post quotes from the Bible to support my claim.


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Does God give blessings based on obedience to His commandments?
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Ah, fab, thank you :)

We are not deserving of the blessings we receive. However, God still blesses us when we obey.

I agree with you then, in this case, we don't ever earn blessings, but God may bless us more when we follow him :)
 
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I already acknowledged that God blesses our obedience. But He blesses us even when we have fallen short of His glory.

I would like to see some Bible quotes to support this.



Apparently, you posted this as well.

"You are wasting time and space."

Is this hostility necessary? Please, address the topic and not the person.


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Does God give blessings based on obedience to His commandments?

Been listening to Robert Millet?


D&C 130:20-21 teaches that man has to earn every blessing. You've changed the topic of the OP.
 
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"But if they will not hearken to my voice, nor unto the voice of these men whom I have appointed, they shall not be blest."
D&C 124:46


OTOH, the Bible teaches us:

Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Titus 3
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
 
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Been listening to Robert Millet?

Nope. I have never read his book. Or whatever it is he has done.



D&C 130:20-21 teaches that man has to earn every blessing. You've changed the topic of the OP.

That isn't in the OP, this is: "This means, per Mormonism, that you must be deserving of any and every blessing you receive from God."

The quotes you used to support this premise state what I posted. I have addressed both in this thread. The comment you claim is not the topic responds to the quotes you posted, which makes it valid as part of the topic discussion.


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Nope. I have never read his book. Or whatever it is he has done.

It is a pervasive Mormon habit to answer another question other than the one that was asked.


Phoebe Ann said:
D&C 130:20-21...
That isn't in the OP, this is: "This means, per Mormonism, that you must be deserving of any and every blessing you receive from God."

D&C 130:20-21 is in the OP.
 
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D&C 130
21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.


merit
'mer?t/
noun
1.
the quality of being particularly good or worthy, especially so as to deserve praise or reward.



The truth is that we are saved by grace only after all we ourselves can do. (See 2 Ne. 25:23.) There will be no government dole which can get us through the pearly gates. Nor will anybody go into the celestial kingdom who wants to go there on the works of someone else. Every man must go through on his own merits. We might just as well learn this here and now.
Marion G. Romney, “In Mine Own Way,” General Conference, October 1976

“Our Master Teacher, the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, has also given us a simple formula, and there is a price to pay as well. His plan for us, and His doctrine, is clear and concise. He does not give trick questions, and He does not grade on the curve. He clearly wants everyone to live with Him in the Celestial Kingdom for He has stated:
“For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.1
“However, we must earn the privilege to do so.”
Elder Mervyn B. Arnold, Our Book of Life, Brigham Young University–Idaho Devotional, January 29, 2008

In order to qualify for exaltation in the celestial kingdom, we must gain the trust of the Lord here on earth. We gain the trust of the Lord through earning it, and that is accomplished through our actual performance in living His gospel and keeping our covenants. In other words, we earn the trust of the Lord by doing His will.
Richard J. Maynes, “Keeping Our Covenants,” Ensign, Nov 2004, 92

"Immortality connotes life without end. Eternal life, on the other hand, connotes quality of life — exaltation, the highest type of immortality, the kind of life enjoyed by God himself. It is in the attainment of eternal life, which man must earn in mortality, that he reaches his full potentiality" (Marion G. Romney, of the First Presidency, at General Conference, October 1978, Ensign, November, 1978, p. 14).

“These promises, when obtained, if ever by us, will not be because Peter, John, and the other Apostles … walked in the fear of God and had power and faith to prevail and obtain them; but it will be because we, ourselves, have faith and approach God in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, even as they did; and when these promises are obtained, they will be promises directly to us, or they will do us no good. They will be communicated for our benefit, being our own property (through the gift of God), earned by our own diligence in keeping His commandments, and walking uprightly before Him.”
History of the Church, 2:22

And that's just a few quotes by LDS leaders.
 
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