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[myway]

Two police in Ferguson, MO was shot on March 11, 2015. This took place the same night the police chief in Ferguson resigned. One was shot one time and the other twice.

Two police officers shot during night of protests in Ferguson

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I'm not surprised. Maybe there is a reason why more blacks get stopped in Ferguson than whites.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I wonder if white people will start rioting now and destroying their neighborhoods in frustration and anguish? I also wonder if President Obama and the Attorney General will rush down there and launch investigations into how a couple of white cops could be brutally gunned down like this? I wonder if they'll look into "hate crime" status for this since both were cops and white!?

Hmmmm.....

 

[MikeK]

I wonder if white people will start rioting now and destroying their neighborhoods in frustration and anguish? I also wonder if President Obama and the Attorney General will rush down there and launch investigations into how a couple of white cops could be brutally gunned down like this? I wonder if they'll look into "hate crime" status for this since both were cops and white!?

Hmmmm.....

Poor oppressed white people. Blacks have it soooo good.

This was one individual. Remember that police shooting by the white terrorist who went into hiding in the woods, I think in PA? Virtually nobody said snarky things about his race suggesting that his action had anything to do with the greater group. This sarcasm toward a race of people who have traditionally been treated as inferiors by our culture and remain underrepresented in virtually every desirable category does not strike me as particularily Christ-like. Focus on the evil action, the evil-doer, not some tangential nonsense about race, and not suggesting that this individual's behavior is typical of a race. This "them" attitude is exactly what causes this behavior, people who lump all police together due the the misdeeds of a relative few are doing the exact same thing that people in this thread are. We can be better human beings than this.

 

[brewmama]

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I remember the ex-LA cop, who was black, went rogue in California. It was certainly noted at the time (maybe not by you) that LA had drastically changed their criteria for admission, and that that individual showed signs that should have excluded him from ever being admitted to the police force, but he was. Because he was black. You really can't ignore the racial component in all this. This is not at all unexpected when racial tensions are stoked the way the have been with this administration.

 

[MikeK]

I was talking about this guy:

Cops Caught The Alleged Cop-Killer And Survivalist Hiding Out In Pennsylvania Mountains - Business Insider

Your quickness to "Obama!" this thread is noted, but you might consider doing a quick count of the rate of murder by blacks under this administration compared to the previous several before you make such suggestions. Violent crime, including violent crime by blacks, occurs at a lower rate today than it did previously. Now, I'm not crediting the President for that - to do so would be as absurd as it is to blame the President for this wonderful trend, to do so would be as absurd as it is to blame him for other people's crimes.

 

[S.ilvio]

Wow, racial stereotyping is alive and well in OBOB... Not our finest moment on CF.

 

[brewmama]

I was talking about this guy:

Cops Caught The Alleged Cop-Killer And Survivalist Hiding Out In Pennsylvania Mountains - Business Insider

Your quickness to "Obama!" this thread is noted, but you might consider doing a quick count of the rate of murder by blacks under this administration compared to the previous several before you make such suggestions. Violent crime, including violent crime by blacks, occurs at a lower rate today than it did previously. Now, I'm not crediting the President for that - to do so would be as absurd as it is to blame the President for this wonderful trend, to do so would be as absurd as it is to blame him for other people's crimes.

I don't know why you prefer to ignore the obvious, and just call it Obama-bashing, but whatever. I'll gladly look at your stats, do you have a link? All I can find is stuff like this:

(Murder)The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost
8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000) (table 1).
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary.
Source: APD Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012

Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: Black People Responsible for Virtually All Crime in Atlanta -- Judge Marvin Arrington Confirms

„ "Violent crime rates increased slightly in 2012 for
blacks but remained stable for whites and Hispanics."
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv12.pdf

 

[MikeK]

Look it up yourself without cherry picking data, you will find that violent crime rates have been generally decreasing for decades and that the rate of violent crimes committed by blacks has decreased as well. Blacks still commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime (as one would expect of a group historically targeted for persecution and still today subtly discriminated against, see the rate of call backs for identical resumes with "white sounding" names vs "black sounding" names) - not as disproportionate as males v. females, however.

 

[brewmama]

Look it up yourself without cherry picking data, you will find that violent crime rates have been generally decreasing for decades and that the rate of violent crimes committed by blacks has decreased as well.

Well, I did look, and I wasn't cherry picking, that's what came up. If you don't want to share, suit yourself.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

It doesn't strike me as particularly "Christ-like" to defend an entire race at all costs always making them the "good guy" and the white man the whipping boy oppressor who is always the bullying overlord oligarch. I don't find it Christ-like to repeatedly come into a forum shouting themes of uncle tom and plantations every time an African-American commits a crime. A Christian should not blame ancestors at every turn for the plight of folks in 2015. And a Christian would also be honest in laying out the numbers---that African-Americans cheat on their wives infinitely more than white America, that black-on-black crime is MUCH higher than white-on-black crime, and a dose of intellectual honesty in the race-baiting violin-playing liberal posting tactics would be refreshing.

Nothing like being the evaluator of what is "Christ-like" and what is not. I guess "Who am I to judge?" is out the door!

Poor oppressed white people. Blacks have it soooo good.

This was one individual. Remember that police shooting by the white terrorist who went into hiding in the woods, I think in PA? Virtually nobody said snarky things about his race suggesting that his action had anything to do with the greater group. This sarcasm toward a race of people who have traditionally been treated as inferiors by our culture and remain underrepresented in virtually every desirable category does not strike me as particularily Christ-like. Focus on the evil action, the evil-doer, not some tangential nonsense about race, and not suggesting that this individual's behavior is typical of a race. This "them" attitude is exactly what causes this behavior, people who lump all police together due the the misdeeds of a relative few are doing the exact same thing that people in this thread are. We can be better human beings than this.

 

[MikeK]

It doesn't strike me as particularly "Christ-like" to defend an entire race at all costs always making them the "good guy" and the white man the whipping boy oppressor who is always the bullying overlord oligarch.

Nobody's doing that here. I am not. Our government, as evidenced by rates of incarceration, is not.

I don't find it Christ-like to repeatedly come into a forum shouting themes of uncle tom and plantations every time an African-American commits a crime. A Christian should not blame ancestors at every turn for the plight of folks in 2015. And a Christian would also be honest in laying out the numbers---that African-Americans cheat on their wives infinitely more than white America, that black-on-black crime is MUCH higher than white-on-black crime, and a dose of intellectual honesty in the race-baiting violin-playing liberal posting tactics would be refreshing.

.....and you lost me. I don't know anything about rates of marital infidelity, but I do know that black-on-black crime occurs at a far higher rate than white on black crime and I don't know anyone who has suggested otherwise.

Nothing like being the evaluator of what is "Christ-like" and what is not. I guess "Who am I to judge?" is out the door!

Do you understand that it is souls and unknown intentions that we are not to judge, not actions?

 

[GlockMeister]

I'm not surprised. Maybe there is a reason why more blacks get stopped in Ferguson than whites.

Do we know the gunmen were black? I haven't heard that anywhere.

 

[Tigg]

Do we know the gunmen were black? I haven't heard that anywhere.

Glocks eh. Love em. However back to Ferguson. I would not live in Ferguson even before the outbreak of protests, if what I hear on the news is correct. I pity and pray for those who have to live there. If I were a cop, I woulld quit and move elsewhere. Just MO, a town gone amuck. How it can get some law and order or insurance for any business is beyond me. May God help and bless them.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

Do we know the gunmen were black? I haven't heard that anywhere.

Heh, I'll eat some serious crow if I'm wrong.

 

[S.ilvio]

Heh, I'll eat some serious crow if I'm wrong.

Your wallowing in this tragic event and playing the race card is distasteful at best.

Please refrain engaging in this behaviour in this Catholic community.

The last thing I want is Catholics being associated with such lazy, descriminatory comments...

 

[FlaviusAetius]

This sarcasm toward a race of people who have traditionally been treated as inferiors by our culture and remain underrepresented in virtually every desirable category does not strike me as particularily Christ-like.

Didn't Jesus of Nazareth hold the same bias against Samaritans that most people hold against blacks? It took the Samaritan woman total groveling and suffering abuse from the Messiah referring to her race as dogs begging for scraps before Jesus was willing to forgive his own bias against her race and heal her son.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Look it up yourself without cherry picking data, you will find that violent crime rates have been generally decreasing for decades and that the rate of violent crimes committed by blacks has decreased as well. Blacks still commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime (as one would expect of a group historically targeted for persecution and still today subtly discriminated against, see the rate of call backs for identical resumes with "white sounding" names vs "black sounding" names) - not as disproportionate as males v. females, however.

Not black crime. The chances of a black being a victim of a violent crime by a white person around 1%

Black violent crime including murder per 100,000 is propotionately higher than that of the white populace.

In any major city in the US, if we took black on black murders out of the equation, then the murder rate would be insignificant.

Here are all the statistics. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Reporting the truth is reporting the truth.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Nobody's doing that here. I am not. Our government, as evidenced by rates of incarceration, is not.




.....and you lost me. I don't know anything about rates of marital infidelity, but I do know that black-on-black crime occurs at a far higher rate than white on black crime and I don't know anyone who has suggested otherwise.



Do you understand that it is souls and unknown intentions that we are not to judge, not actions?

Here are some stats from your state.


A new study from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee that looked at the prison population there found that the state has the highest percentage of incarcerated black men in the country. About 1 in 8 black men of working age (13 percent) are in state prisons or jails. The national average is 6.7 percent.Apr 24, 2013

 

[Constantine I]

Here are some stats from your state.


A new study from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee that looked at the prison population there found that the state has the highest percentage of incarcerated black men in the country. About 1 in 8 black men of working age (13 percent) are in state prisons or jails. The national average is 6.7 percent.Apr 24, 2013

I don't think you understand what a causal relationship is. Poor people commit more crime, it is well documented and I think most people agree (Obviously not all poor people commit crime). Black people are mostly poor, therefore they commit the most crime. If you switch the economic conditions of blacks with any race, you would have the same rate of crime.

Edit: So a better statistic would be if we took all poor on poor murders out of the equation in ANY GIVEN SITUATION IN 2015, the murder rate would be much lower.