Late term abortion

[Vylo]

Hey all.

While I consider myself pro-choice, I am against any abortion after the first trimester, except in the event of medical emergencies. I am curious to here your opinions.

 

[Zaac]

Hey all.

While I consider myself pro-choice, I am against any abortion after the first trimester, except in the event of medical emergencies. I am curious to here your opinions.

Abortions are baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and ALL are to be advised against murdering an unborn, developing human being or ANY human being. As a Christian, that's the Biblical response.

But as Christians, we must also add that God has granted each person freedom of choice. And if someone chooses to make the wrong choice, we must still counsel them into a repentant, healing reconciliation with Jesus Christ over this sin just as we would with any other.

 

[Lokisdottir]

Abortions are baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad and ALL are to be advised against murdering an unborn, developing human being or ANY human being. As a Christian, that's the Biblical response.

But there's a Biblical verse which states that if horseplay causes a pregnant woman to miscarry, the one responsible simply pays a fee. The situation is no more grave than if he'd stolen a pig. (Heck, stealing a pig would be worse--didn't thieves get their hands chopped off in those times?) The situation treats the fetus as destroyed property, rather than lost life.

 

[Spinrad]

Woman + Physician. No one else.

 

[Vylo]

I'll agree that abortions are bad. I sincerely doubt that anyone would say that having an abortion is a good thing and is rather, depending upon their opinion, the lesser of 2 evils. I believe that you should be able to choose in the first trimester because the fetus is not a human being until it has the capacity for thought. But during the second trimester it develops this capacity and therefor terminating it at that or a later point would be murder. In the event of a medical emergency, to do nothing my kill the mother, and to abort may kill the child. The mother should have say as to which it will be.

 

[Vylo]

Woman + Physician. No one else.

What is the difference between a fetus 8 months pregnant, and a premature baby of the same period of gestation, besides their location? Yet one is considered murder, and the other not. I find that a bit confusing and seemingly hypocritical that 2 humans at the same point in development completely different rights, in fact one seems to have none at all.

 

[hernyaccent]

Not my business. I don't want others to make choices for me. So I don't feel the need to make choices for them.

 

[Spinrad]

What is the difference between a fetus 8 months pregnant, and a premature baby of the same period of gestation, besides their location? Yet one is considered murder, and the other not. I find that a bit confusing and seemingly hypocritical that 2 humans at the same point in development completely different rights, in fact one seems to have none at all.

Woman + Doctor. No one else.

 

[Vylo]

Woman + Doctor. No one else.

You have made that abundantly clear but is it "no one else's business" if someone murders another person?

Do you consider later term abortions to be murder? Why or why not?

 

[Spinrad]

What I consider them is a medical procedure a woman has to terminate a pregnancy. I consider that not my business. If she were to ask me I would strongly advise her not to.

 

[Vylo]

What I consider them is a medical procedure a woman has to terminate a pregnancy.

But does terminating that pregnancy ever constitute murdering a human being? Why or why not?

 

[Zaac]

But there's a Biblical verse which states that if horseplay causes a pregnant woman to miscarry, the one responsible simply pays a fee. The situation is no more grave than if he'd stolen a pig. (Heck, stealing a pig would be worse--didn't thieves get their hands chopped off in those times?) The situation treats the fetus as destroyed property, rather than lost life.

Where is this Biblical verse?

 

[Blackmarch]

But there's a Biblical verse which states that if horseplay causes a pregnant woman to miscarry, the one responsible simply pays a fee. The situation is no more grave than if he'd stolen a pig. (Heck, stealing a pig would be worse--didn't thieves get their hands chopped off in those times?) The situation treats the fetus as destroyed property, rather than lost life.

um, if one remembers correctly,
the hands chopping thing was arabic law.. not mosaic law.

 

[Zaac]

I'll agree that abortions are bad. I sincerely doubt that anyone would say that having an abortion is a good thing and is rather, depending upon their opinion, the lesser of 2 evils. I believe that you should be able to choose in the first trimester because the fetus is not a human being until it has the capacity for thought.

Just like a seed, it's alive once it starts to grow and if we choose to abort that which is alive and growing, it's still murder no matter if we think it to be an actual human yet.

But during the second trimester it develops this capacity and therefor terminating it at that or a later point would be murder. In the event of a medical emergency, to do nothing my kill the mother, and to abort may kill the child. The mother should have say as to which it will be.

Again, the child started growing at conception. And if it is growing, it is alive.

 

[Vylo]

Where is this Biblical verse?

Bibles need indexes .

 

[Lokisdottir]

Where is this Biblical verse?

One moment please while I dig it up...

 

[Vylo]

Again, the child started growing at conception. And if it is growing, it is alive.

Being alive does not constitute being human. Dogs and plants are alive, but are not human beings. Remove my brain and hook me up to machinery and I am alive, but I am not a human being.

 

[Zaac]

Bibles need indexes .

They've got them. They really do.

 

[Vylo]

They've got them. They really do.

Gah, mine doesn't .

 

[Zaac]

Being alive does not constitute being human. Dogs and plants are alive, but are not human beings.

But it's not a dog or a plant that is growing in the womb.

Remove my brain and hook me up to machinery and I am alive, but I am not a human being.

How did you deduce that? Your genetic makeup and everything about you says that you are a human being. How do you become less of a human being if we remove your brain? What do we need to classify you as post-brain removal?