Language ...

Oseas said:

Ok, but my point is that the discussion is about "What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it",

Ok, but please, my point is that the discussion is about "What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it", however, it seems that the discussion now went toward the human science that study the language called linguistics what has nothing to do with the language of God, or how God communicates Himself, it has nothing to do with the Word of God, for the Word is God.

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why do you want to know the unknown ?

who was there but God alone prior to creation ?

the bible doesn't say what you are asking so what is the point ?

Scott Husted said:

Jesus said his words were spirit and the words he spoke were not his own, so like him, it's not the package, but what is in the package.

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John 12:v.49-50 - JESUS said: 49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

verse 48 - He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that Judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge him in the last Day. (This Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day , or seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.)

Jesus is YHWH said:

why do you want to know the unknown ?

who was there but God alone prior to creation ?

the bible doesn't say what you are asking so what is the point ?

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What you are asking has nothing to do with my reply to AV1611VET.

Oseas said:

What you are asking has nothing to do with my reply to AV1611VET.

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no one knows Gods language within the Trinity prior to creation.

But we do know the language within the Trinity now since the Incarnation.

Jesus is YHWH said:

But we do know the language within the Trinity now since the Incarnation.

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Which is?

Tone said:

Which is?

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How did Son communicate with the Father in the gospels ?

Jesus is YHWH said:

How did Son communicate with the Father in the gospels ?

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"Eloi, Eloi, Lama sabakthani. These words are Aramaic, but remember the people hearing Jesus thought He was calling Elijah. If Jesus was calling Elijah He would have said, 'Eli, Eli. ' Eli in Hebrew can mean either 'My God' or a form of Eliyahu, Hebrew for Elijah."
What language did Jesus speak when he said “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani”? - Quora

Yeah, and we have this passage in Scripture confirming that it will be spoken in the new heavens and the new earth:

Revelation 19:1-4

Jesus is YHWH said:

no one knows Gods language within the Trinity prior to creation.

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God the Father
The main Person of the Triunity is the Word, I mean, God the Father. He-the Word and also God the Father- is from Eternity to Eternity, right? He has not beginning, neither ending, right? James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, wrote: Every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, right? Thus it is how I introduce my God Father to the world, that is, without variableness, neither shadow of turning, he is from everlasting to everlasting and in Him there is not really variableness, neither shadow of turning.

JESUS - SON OF GOD
Now see, JESUS was in the bosom of God the Father. It is written: No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him. Have you never read what JESUS said? John 17:v.5 - And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the Glory which I had with Thee before the world was. JESUS was with His Eternal Father as I described above. Hebrews 1:v.6 - And AGAIN, when He -the Word- bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him. Isaiah prophesied His birth: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. It is the Power- it is the Word-, can you see Him now in this unfathomable work?

Jesus is YHWH said:

But we do know the language within the Trinity now since the Incarnation.

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Since the incarnation? Oh no, the Word was made flesh only about two thousand years ago.

Abraham was visited by the trinity: Who were them? And two of them were in Sodom to save Lot and his family of the destruction, after intercession of Abraham for salvation of the cities. As it is written in Hebrews 1:v.6, later, when He -the Word- bringeth AGAIN into the world the firstbegotten(this event happened in the fourth Day or 4000 years after the fallen Adam), He saith, And let all the angels of God worship Him. He - the Lord Jesus-appeared to Abraham and Sara of the same manner He appeared to His disciples and others after His resurrection, inclusive He ate fish with His disciples. It is the Power - it is the Word, understand? The Word is God.

THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT
And what does it say about the person of the Holy Spirit?

It is easy to speak about JESUS, but about the person of the Holy Spirit, it is very hard. About the person of Holy Spirit, JESUS said unto His disciples: John 16:v.12 - I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. (And today, how can the people bear them?) Verse 7 - Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Verse 13: He shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Reference: Revelation 1:v.1.
Verse 14- He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Verse 15 -All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he will take of mine, and will show it unto you.

There are three that bear record in heavenly places, the Father, the Word-the Word made flesh- , and the Holy Spirit: and these three are One. By the way, he appeared to Moses in the wilderness of mount Sina in a flame of fire in a bush, saying: I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. Then said he to Moses, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground-Acts 7:v.30-34. He, the person of the Holy Spirit, was with Moses until he die. Later, he appeared to Joshua as a Prince, as Captain, of the host of the Lord . Joshua 5:v.13-15.

There are many things about the person of the Holy Spirit, but as said JESUS unto His disciples: I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

In Christ
Oseas (Hosea)

Scott Husted said:

There are repetitive pictures that relate to overall patterns that depict the process found in the soul both collectively and individually, whose end and and beginning are found in the purpose of God, and to which this language speaks on multiple levels depending on where you behold it from, or where you are in the journey.

For instance what the woman was to Adam, Mount Sinai is to Israel, or light called out of darkness as a son called out of Egypt. The carrying away into Babylon a son/Israel wandering around in the wilderness (like Joseph in a field) or making a name for yourself depicted as a tower, or the treasure cities of pharaoh/flesh); which relates to us, and must be in type a first in Jerusalem, as one we are born of (as opposed to where christ was crucified, which is as Sodom and as Egypt).

Only a son abides in the house forever, which the promises to those overcome all speak to (and what we overcome, is as a bondwoman and her son/Barabbas/scapegoat (as opposed to the son we are) who is cast out/let go into the place of confusion (babylon/wilderness) of face we leave in respect to our soul and the truth of the mind we are born of (as something we enter or come to (of water and spirit (which speaks to process), and as to what light is the light of the city) which Abraham looked for as something relative to his own soul, and the son he was by the light of "My/Christ's day".

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This is why I'm a literalist.

Does the phone book give you nightmares?

Scott Husted said:

Adam names everything ...

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I thought Linnaeus did?

Scott Husted said:

Flesh so to speak, names everything ...

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Given that flesh is the one who can speak, I'd say so.

Scott Husted said:

So as a literalist do you believe knowledge grows on a tree?

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No. Should I?

AV1611VET said:

Given that flesh is the one who can speak, I'd say so.No. Should I?

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The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. This explains why there is a legion of soul-killing preachers around the earth through their sects, and dead churches, whose angels are also dead, and are killers of souls. Actually they have NAME that they live, but they are dead, like the angel of the church of Sardis.

Scott Husted said:

What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?

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1John 5:v.17 - There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (which is not a Ghost as is written in English LANGUAGE, but a Person): and these three are One.

Matthew 11:v.27 -... no MAN knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any MAN the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

The writers try, among the doubts, to understand the deep mysteries of Three Divine Persons, and even they progress to a certain point in their vision, without however reaching the main goal: Identify who is the character to which it was added the epithet [holy,] In fact, this is very profound and is not easy to penetrate in this wonderful heavenly environment although our privilege to be "living or dwelling" spiritually even in heaven through / by the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - or in heavenly place in Christ as is revealed in Ephesians 1:v.3-7(among others):
3 Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself (Hallelujaaah), according to the good pleasure of His will,
6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.-JESUS-. Songs of Solomon chap. 2;5;6;8.

THREE DIVINE PERSONS
THE PERSON OF GOD, THE FATHER - THE WORD
Although GOD -the Word- be invisible, the true believers know many things about HIM because JESUS revealed Him (Matt.11:v.27 among others). By the way, in His pray Lord JESUS said: John 17:v.4-10 :
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

THE PERSON OF GOD, THE SON -JESUS- THE WORD MADE FLESH
No need to comment. The Person of JESUS is known from two thousand years ago-Hebrews 1:v.1-3. In fact, the person of JESUS was known many time before His birth by the prophets, the Spirit of Christ was in them-1 Peter 1:v.10-12.
In fact, the Person of JESUS (Behold the man!) is known of men, and is also known of the angels, and He is known of the demons too.

THE HOLY SPIRIT - AN UNKNOWN PERSON
The person of the Holy Spirit is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person, and as a Person, as was JESUS in flesh and bones, he is unknown completely. As a Person he has several missions; JESUS said: John 16:v.12-15 and v.8-11:
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of Judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of Judgment, because the prince of this world is Judged.

- The Person of he Holy Spirit has not genealogy as JESUS has; why? Because he is not a Jew.
- As I above said, JESUS, or the NAME of JESUS, is known of men, and is also known of the angels, and He is known of the demons too. But the person of the Holy Spirit has a NAME written (in the Holy Scriptures, course) that no MAN knows, but he himself. I repit: He has not genealogy as JESUS has, he is not a Jew.
- JESUS came from heaven and He was born in Israel. John 6:38 - I came down from heaven(Behold the man!John 19:5)not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me. In the other hand, the prophetic birth of the person of Holy Spirit is not in Israel, but in a Gentile nation. His birth is within the body of Christ-the Church-and as JESUS said, he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak, for he shall receive of mine, he shall take of mine. This exposed picture or figure is like the Sun and Moon. The Moon receives light from the Sun and reflets the light over the Earth; Regardings the light of JESUS reflected by the Holy Spirit over the Earth, I can see by analogy in Genesis 1:v.16:-And GOD made two great lights; the Greater Light to rule the day, and the Lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Revelation 12:1-2 & 5.
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman(the Church of the Lord JESUS) clothed with the Sun (JESUS and His Light, the Greater Light), and the moon (the Lesser light - the person of the Holy Spirit) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: (The twelve Apostles of the Lord JESUS)
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 5-And she brought forth a man child - the person of the Holy Spirit- , who was to rule all nations (EXCEPT ISRAEL) with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP unto GOD, and to His throne. By the way, about GOD's Throne-Psalm 97:v.1-2CJB say: 1 Adonai is king, let the earth rejoice, let the many coasts and islands be glad. 2 CLOUDS and thick darkness surround Him; Righteousness and Justice are the foundation of His throne. (By the way, as is written in 1 Thessalonians 4:v.17, "We which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP (AS HER SON-REV. 12:v.5) together with them in the CLOUDS-Psalm 97:v.2, to meet the Lord in the AIR (AIR is heaven - here the third heaven): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.-(in the third heaven)
That said, what was asked by Mr. Porson and answered by Beza has sense, as I transcribe below:
>>> Again, Mr. Porson asks, “ Why is the epithet [holy,] ” after being twice omitted, added [to Spirit] in the seventh verse ? Beza
says,
“ In order to distinguish one Spirit from the other, ut ab eo distinguatur cujus fit mentio in sequenti versu." <<<
I highlight also the explanation below mainly where the commenter tries to understand and asks "why, in the original, the expression of unity in the two verses differs, one from the other, both doctrinally and grammatically?" Perhaps, too, because when the Three Divine Persons are connumerated in the same passage, as in Matth. xxviii. 19, 2 Cor. xiii. 14, the epithet was usually added. It may also be asked, why, in the original, the expression of unity in the two verses differs, one from the other, both doctrinally and grammatically? But his conclusion is much much more interesting and impressive when he says: The reason appears to be, because in one the unity is essential and real; in the other, adventitious and APPARENT ONLY (highlight mine); and because the eighth verse is dependent on the seventh, as a RELATIVE is on its antecedent.

Scott Husted said:

My question was threefold ...

"What is the language of God and how is the creation and the process of it part of it?"

Would the language of God had any meaning without a tree, or a garden man is put in to tend and keep ... and why the leaves of a fig tree ... cohesive narrative or just happen to be the closest tree in proximity ...

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Oh yes, fig tree, how afar is the roots of the Jews. (Clue: Matt.23:v.35 and John 8:v.44)

THE GREAT BATTLES BETWEEN - GOD X SATAN
- THE BIRTH OF MOSES -
Moses was born around 2.500 years after Adam, this event was more one work of GOD, by the way, GOD was working in His second Day, Moses was descendant of Abraham and would be used by GOD in fulfilment of Genesis 1:v.2. There were many peoples, and nations, and multitudes and tongues(waters) on Earth, but GOD would go to expand and form more one nation on the Earth from the seed of Abraham, that is the nation of Israel. Actually, had passed two days and half of GOD's works, it was between or midst of years 2.000 to 3.000 or 1.500 years BC.
Satan knew that Moses would be born in that time.
Satan said: Exodus 1:v.16CJB- “When you attend the Hebrew women and see them giving birth,” he said, “if it’s a boy, kill him; but if it’s a girl, let her live.”
But GOD was working and protecting the Hebrew women, then this first attempt of the Devil failed because GOD acted so that Satan's order would not be carried out among the Hebrew women. Because of this Satan tried a second chance to kill Moses, then Pharaoh generalized, ordering that the baby boys should be thrown into the river, and the girls should live. Exodus 1:v.22: Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every SON that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.
Exodus 2:v.1-10CJB ;
1 A man from the family of Levi took a woman also descended from Levi as his wife.
2 When she conceived and had a son, upon seeing what a fine child he was, she hid him for three months.

GOD'S PROVIDENCE TO PROTECT, AND KEEPING LIVE, AND SAVING THE BABY
3 When she(Mother of Moses)could no longer hide him, she took a papyrus basket, coated it with clay and tar, put the child in it and placed it among the reeds on the riverbank.
4 His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him.
5 The daughter of Pharaoh came down to bathe in the river while her maids-in-attendance walked along the riverside. Spotting the basket among the reeds, she sent her slave-girl to get it.
6 She opened it and looked inside, and there in front of her was a crying baby boy! Moved with pity, she said, “This must be one of the Hebrews’ children.”
7 At this point, his sister said to Pharaoh’s daughter, “Would you like me to go and find you one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?”
8 Pharaoh’s daughter answered, “Yes, go.” So the girl went and called the baby’s own mother.
9 Pharaoh’s daughter told her, “Take this child away, and nurse it for me, and I will pay you for doing it.” So the woman took the child and nursed it.
10 Then, when the child had grown some, she brought him to Pharaoh’s daughter; and she began to raise him as her son. She called him Moshe [pull out], explaining, “Because I pulled him out of the water.”-
As we can see, the Most High and Almighty GOD worked and kept Moses still as a baby, and provided the creation and growing of Moses first by his own mother and she was remunerated for the creation of Moses (blesses of GOD), and when the child had grown some, the mother of Moses brought him to Pharaoh’s daughter, and Moses grew in the palace of the spiritual and material Enemy, Satan/Pharaoh. Pharaoh and his kingdom was/is a symbol of Satan and his kingdom.
Later GOD called Moses to the main work for which He had made him be born, and God first constituted Moses as the god of Aaron (Exodus 4:v.16), who was constituted as a prophet of the Lord, later on, God constituted Moses as god before Pharaoh (Exodus 7:v.1), and so it was.

THE BIRTH OF JESUS - AROUND 4.000 YEARS AFTER ADAM - FOUR COMPLETE DAYS HAD PASSED OF GOD'S WORKS - THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH - JESUS WAS BORN
Luke 1:v.30-33
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

THE SPIRITUAL ENVIRONMENT OF ISRAEL WHEN JESUS WAS BORN
According Scriptures, the environment in whole Israel, since Jerusalem until the desert, was dominated by Satan and a legion of demons. Satan knew the GOD's Plan about JESUS's birth, all the doors were closed for JESUS even for His birth, Mary suffered a lot in the last moments to give birth JESUS, she was traveling with Joseph, she was out of her residence and should find a place urgent but she did not find any confortable place to bring forth the child, all doors were closed, she only found a manger because there was no room for them in the inns.

ISRAEL KNEW JESUS WAS BORN BY STRANGE MEN - THE WISE MEN WHICH CAME FROM THE EAST
Jerusalem was completely dominated by the Devil and a legion of spirits of demons, and there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, saying: Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled(tormented),and ALL Jerusalem with him, and soon they searched the Word of GOD to know what was said by the prophets of GOD concerning the place of Christ's birth.

SATAN INTENDS TO KILL JESUS STILL AS A BABY
Surreptitiously Satan said to the wise men: search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also-Satan is a liar, a deceiver. Actually, Satan wanted to kill JESUS, but GOD prevented the wise men to do what Satan wanted, their return to Herod. So they departed into their own country another way. And the angel of the Lord said to Joseph: Arise and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be you there until I bring thee word, for Herod will seek the young child to destroy/kill him. GOD was still working His works of the fourth Day-John 5:v.17.

THE WRATH OF SATAN BECAUSE WAS PREVENTED BY GOD TO KILL JESUS STILL AS A CHILD
Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. And Joseph was there in Egypt until the death of Herod.
As I above said, GOD constituted Moses as god before Aaron and also before Pharaoh, but JESUS was sent by GOD as He Himself, the Word made flesh, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature, whom GOD has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds, being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person: JESUS said: I and my Father are One, but JESUS being in the form of GOD, thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD. Marvelous, very marvelous.

THE BIRTH OF THE PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
1 John 5:v.7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy SPIRIT (who is not a Ghost but a Person in flesh and bones like JESUS): and these three are One.
- The Person of he Holy Spirit has not genealogy as JESUS has; why? Because he is not a Jew.
- As we can see through Scriptures, JESUS, or the NAME of JESUS, is known of men, and is also known of the angels, and He is known of the demons too. But the person of the Holy Spirit has a NAME written (in the Holy Scriptures, course) that no MAN knows, but he himself. I repit: He has not genealogy as JESUS has, he is not a Jew. JESUS CAME FROM HEAVEN - THE HOLY SPIRIT RISE UP OF THE EARTH
- JESUS came from heaven and He was born in Israel. John 6:38 - I came down from heaven(Behold the man!John 19:5)not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me. In the other hand, the prophetic birth of the person of Holy Spirit is not in Israel, but in a Gentile nation. His birth is within the body of Christ-the Church-and as JESUS said, he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak, for he shall receive of mine, he shall take of mine. This exposed picture or figure is like the Sun and Moon. The Moon receives light from the Sun and reflets the light over the Earth; Regardings the light of JESUS reflected by the Holy Spirit over the Earth, I can see by analogy in Genesis 1:v.16:-And GOD made two great lights; the Greater Light to rule the day, and the Lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Revelation 12:1-2 & 5.
THE BIRTH OF THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman(the Church of the Lord JESUS) clothed with the Sun (JESUS and His Light, the Greater Light), and the moon (the Lesser light - the person of the Holy Spirit) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: (The twelve Apostles of the Lord JESUS)
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 5-And she brought forth a man child-the person of the Holy Spirit-,who was to rule all nations (EXCEPT ISRAEL) with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP unto GOD, and to His throne. By the way, about GOD's Throne-Psalm 97:v.1-2CJB say:1 Adonai is king, let the earth rejoice, let the many coasts and islands be glad. 2 CLOUDS and thick darkness surround Him; Righteousness and Justice are the foundation of His throne. (By the way, as is written in 1 Thess.4:v.17, "We which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP (AS HER SON-REV. 12:v.5) together with them in the CLOUDS-Psalm 97:v.2, to meet the Lord in the AIR (AIR is heaven - here the third heaven, higher than the current heaven in which we still are-Eph.1:v.3): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.-(in the third heaven).

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