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[MrPirate]

Oooo. They are double teaming me. Man you have really got the wrong one if you want a debate. I don't do the childish debate thing because God didn't ask me to convince anyone that His Word is His Word or that it says anything other than what it says.

So if you're looking for a child to play your debate games with,let me recommend The Father's Daughter for ya.

His Word still says what it says so you won't get a debate from me, just repetition of the same thing.

You aren’t debating. You are simply making blanket denials and unsupported accusations.

 

[Zaac]

More accusations of bias…yet we have no reason to believe bias on the part of these researchers.

What has been shown is that literally and contextually the bible does not condemn homosexuality or homosexual acts.

Using the bias of those with a preset agenda doesn't prove any such thing.

And it is nothing short of silly to imply that God's Word does not condemn fornication.

Which is what people have done. The fact that what is on the page is not what you desire does not change the truth of what is on the page, or the sincerity and honesty of the researchers and linguists involved

What is non the page is not the condemnation you want, no matter how much you deny and accuse…so why don’t you deal with what the actual text says.

yet another bearing of false witness. Like I said before, I wish it said what you guys want it to say, but it does not.

But you have stated your desired interoperation…you have done so most clearly.

I've stated what God says. I haven't interpreted anything.

As noted before. It seems God is using these historians, linguists, theologians, scholars (the people who dare to disagree with you…the ones you have falsely accused of bias because they dared to disagree with you) to bring clarity to his word, to bring truth and accuracy to the meaning of his word. Why do you fight God so on this matter?

They ain't disagreeing with me. I'm repeating what God says. their disagreement is with Him.

You have accused scholars, historians linguists and theologians of bias and of false witness

I have accused scholars and historians and linguists of bias commentary. I've accused YOU of bearing false witness.

Once again…can you offer up any proof of your accusations? Or are you attacking them merely because they speak the truth?

Can you offer up any disproof of the accusations?

God’s word is right. Your personal interpretation of it and your use to condemn members of a minority however…those are not right

Always playing the victim. Ain't nobody condemned anyone. You will condemn yourselves by your false teaching.

you didn't answer the question:
Why should we abandon reason here just because you prefer to ignore the truth?

Because God's ways are not your ways, and thus your REASON is irrelvant where He has spoken.

It says what an inaccurate translation says…which is not the truth…no matter how much you pretend it is.

Says what it says and your inaccurate translation accusations don't change that.

The English language has changed. Like all living languages it does change and evolve. New words come into being, old words fall out of favor. Try reading Chaucer in the original…it maybe English but it is incomprehensible to the modern reader.

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I can read Chaucer just fine and I'm a pretty modern reader.

Frnication is STILL fornication just as it always has been.

 

[Zaac]

You aren’t debating. You are simply making blanket denials and unsupported accusations.

That's all I have to do. There's no need for me to debate God's Truth with folks who want the truth to be something else.

 

[davedjy]

Oooo. They are double teaming me. Man you have really got the wrong one if you want a debate. I don't do the childish debate thing because God didn't ask me to convince anyone that His Word is His Word or that it says anything other than what it says.

So if you're looking for a child to play your debate games with,let me recommend The Father's Daughter for ya.

His Word still says what it says so you won't get a debate from me, just repetition of the same thing.

This doesn't refute my point in the least.

You dodged the COMPLETE post. I just said, that inconsistencies have been shown TRANSLATION TO TRANSLATION - (what you read on the translated page AKA "God's Word").
You aren't even debating, you are making points of useless commentary, saying we are making useless debate points.

You ain't provided nothing more than the evidence of people who had the same bias as you present.

PROVE there is a bias present! PROVE that the bias is any different than a Scholar who makes a point that is so-called proving that homosexuality is a sin.

 

[davedjy]

That's all I have to do. There's no need for me to debate God's Truth with folks who want the truth to be something else.

You have yet to prove any of the arguments you've made are:

1) God's Word
2) The truth

You have also yet to prove that the translated page is the accurate translation. You aren't debating if you can't do that, as you are just making circular arguments about it "being God's Word". This is very common for people who cannot debate, as they lack the education or the defense necessary to make a debate in the first place. I proved the inconsistencies, you are dodging them.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear davejy,

As mentioned, there are many inconsistencies in translation with that word.

No there arent. I thought we had been through this mere basless contradictions bit. There are some differences in interpretation, not translation.
Can you give me examples of what arsen and koites means other than the recognised ones I gave?

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear Davedjy,

You have yet to prove any of the arguments you've made are:

He doesnt have to he has made the arguments and presented the evidence, you havent, you havent given any scripture that supports same-sex sex.

 

[davedjy]

Dear davejy,
No there arent. I thought we had been through this mere basless contradictions bit. There are some differences in interpretation, not translation.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
Can you give me examples of what arsen and koites means other than the recognised ones I gave?

I already did. The Latin Vulgate and Jerusalem Bibles both reject that translation. AGAIN, it was universally translated as masturbator at the time of Martin Luther. That word merely means "man" and "beds", no one knows for sure the definition of it.

 

[davedjy]

Dear Davedjy,
He doesnt have to he has made the arguments and presented the evidence, you havent, you havent given any scripture that supports same-sex sex.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Why are you speaking for someone else and their post?

That isn't my point, I'm refuting the clobber passages.
He isn't looking past the falsely translated word, because he thinks he has cornered us pro-gay arguers, which isn't a debate point.

He HAS NOT presented any evidence other than a falsely translated word, which in a debate would not hold up, I already proved the inconsistencies in translation.

I don't need to "prove" that the Scriptures support same sex sex, to make an argument, as I have already stated that those types of
relationships were not part of the historical context. In a homosexuality debate, that isn't a credible debate point, anyways.