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Nonetheless, LCDM is regarded as mainstream science because it is investigated by following science's well-known operational process. That process alone, is what distinguishes science ... and not your particular dislike of it pursuing its testable concepts.Let's see if that's actually true, shall we? Let me see you or ben actually demonstrate ben's first claim. Name one other area of physics or science that requires 4 unique and different "hypothetical entities" to work correctly, all of which defy any empirical cause/effect justification in the lab. Name just one other popular scientific theory that needs such a wide range of various fudge factors. Ben seems to believe that scientific theories *routinely* involved multiple hypothetical constructs, so let's see him name a few of them. I seriously doubt he can do that or you can do that.
How can you test for the not-yet-known events which 'occur in space', in a terrestrial lab which is incapable of replicating the conditions already known to occur in space? Theory is used by mainstream as the guide for researching these aspects .. but as usual both yourself and Eric, disallow such guiding theory ... which shows you are not following the scientific process.Michael said:That's just a ridiculous strawman. Eric and I simply have no empirical evidence to suggest that other exotic long lived particles or exotic energy exists in nature based on all the evidence that has been collected from every test and experiment ever performed on matter. More importantly, we have no need for anything else to exist in order to explain events in space. Period.
The ridiculously brain-dead idea that the unknowns of the Cosmos MUST reveal themselves in terrestrial labs, which we know are incapable of reproducing the extremes necessary to constrain such experiments, is the issue which distinguishes this as being distinct from science. And then you claim you don't have a problem with what (you think) 'science' is, eh?Michael said:None of the rest of those comments are relevant or accurate. What information do we have to support the standard model of particle physics asks your hero ben? We have the combined data of 100 years of various particle physics "experiments" for starters! Ben has the whole chain of evidence thing *backwards* as it relates to science. What evidence does ben have to support "cold dark matter" after spending *billions* of dollars in the lab looking for such evidence? None! Even his 2006 baryonic galaxy mass estimates that were used to justify the lab experiments in the first place have since been shown to be utterly FUBAR.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15850
You can also add CresstII results to the growing list of CDM *failures* in the lab.
... or reveals the not-yet-known .. which is how science makes use of these models COMBINED WITH the empirical evidence. Of course, EU/PC/Michael's 'science' denies the utility of theoretical models .. (which of course, automatically distinguishes it from being science)Michael said:Translation: Our own DM experiments broke all our DM mass estimates, so we're inventing a second "virgin birth" of inflation. Who says miracles cannot happen twice in a row?Give me a break! The Lambda-CDM model is *over constrained* to the point of absurdity. All those mass estimate problems in their 2006 "dark matter" paper have to simply be *ignored/denied*, only because they are incapable of modifying the percentages without messing up all their claims related to nucleosynthesis. It's like one gigantic house of supernatural cards. If you remove one piece, the whole thing crashes to the ground.
So 'observations from space' are also excluded from your idea of 'science' too? That rules out all of Astronomy and Astrophysics too, eh?Michael said:What pure hypocrisy. Astronomers looked at that 2006 lensing study and they instantly decided that their mass estimates were "perfect", so they *invented* a "fix" to their broken mass estimate problems by inventing an entirely new form of matter! Give me a break! They did the same thing with dark energy based on SN1A observations after *assuming* that they l were all the same "standard candles". We have since found out that they are *not* as standard as first advertised, but we're stuck with dark energy anyway. In every case the mainstream took an isolated observation from space and simply "made up" a "new form of physics" to explain it, starting with Guth and his invisible inflation deity. Ben has *absolutely* no right to complain about that issue *at all*!
Well, seeing as math is used by science as its testable model, and it doesn't appear in a lab, using it to demonstrate any science to you would be pointless .. and yet you now use it to glorify an individual's 'word'. Frankly, Alfven is just another of history's human scientists as far as I'm concerned .. and he's not around to defend his personal opinions in the light of modern evidence.. so who cares?Michael said:Translation: You're between a mathematical rock and a physics hard spot because you can't find any mathematical error in that last paper I handed you, nor can you find any mathematical or physics error in the entire body of Alfven's published works. We both know why you won't deal with the math.
Ahh .. deifying Hubble now as well, eh? Again, who cares about personal opinions he had prior to subsequent discoveries?Michael said:Holy Cow! Edwin Hubble would be rolling over in his grave listening to the mainstream claiming on TV that "Hubble proved the universe is expanding". He personally *rejected* that "subjective interpretation" of the the photon redshift phenomenon. Hubble promoted a static universe concept and a tired light concept.
Well, that would only be because you say so ... and you aren't doing any science, so who cares? (I don't care .. why should I?)Michael said:Einstein would be *utterly horrified* to have you folks stuffing magical "dark energy" into his a "blunder" theory and then trying to ride his GR coattails anyway.
Well as I recall at our last encounter, you demonstrated a major, rather bizarre brain-blockage about reconnection in a vacuum. You ran away from that discussion, too .. so your glorification of Alfven's frozen-in-time opinions is meaningless as far as real science is concerned.Michael said:Alfven personally called the mainstream's misuse of his MHD formulas to support "magnetic reconnection" theory a form of pure "pseudoscience". You folks have no right at all to complain about anyone in the EU/PC community latching onto Alfven's work! Talk about irony overload.
'This is the word of lord Alfven', eh? Hilarious!Michael said:There may be different solar models to choose from within the overall umbrella of EU/PC theory, but Alfven's work on the application of circuit theory to plasma in space is universally accepted by all EU/PC proponents, and we typically heed Alfven's advice about the "pseudoscience' of reconnection theory.
You have handed me multiple tired light, scattering, etc papers, which, when considered together as an explanation for cosmological redsift, totally contradict each other. This was pointed out to you several years ago but you continue to ignore it.Michael said:The mainstream claim that EU/PC theory isn't mathematically supported is pure nonsense. I handed you a paper from 2014 that demonstrates that tired light and static universe theories explain various observations from space *as well as* anything that the mainstream has put together to date, even *with their four supernatural sidekicks*! A simple application of Occam's razor destroys Lambda-CDM.
You should do that, and then you could stay there, and not be here.I don't have, nor have I ever tried to run a message board from my own website. It's *way* too much work, and I'd probably be a biased moderator.
Nonetheless, LCDM is regarded as mainstream science because it is investigated by following science's well-known operational process.
That process alone, is what distinguishes science ... and not your particular dislike of it pursuing its testable concepts.
How can you test for the not-yet-known events which 'occur in space', in a terrestrial lab which is incapable of replicating the conditions already known to occur in space?
Theory is used by mainstream as the guide for researching these aspects .. but as usual both yourself and Eric, disallow such guiding theory ... which shows you are not following the scientific process.
The ridiculously brain-dead idea
that the unknowns of the Cosmos MUST reveal themselves in terrestrial labs, which we know are incapable of reproducing the extremes necessary to constrain such experiments, is the issue which distinguishes this as being distinct from science. And then you claim you don't have a problem with what (you think) 'science' is, eh?
... or reveals the not-yet-known .. which is how science makes use of these models COMBINED WITH the empirical evidence. Of course, EU/PC/Michael's 'science' denies the utility of theoretical models .. (which of course, automatically distinguishes it from being science)
So 'observations from space' are also excluded from your idea of 'science' too? That rules out all of Astronomy and Astrophysics too, eh?
Well, seeing as math is used by science as its testable model, and it doesn't appear in a lab, using it to demonstrate any science to you would be pointless .. and yet you now use it to glorify an individual's 'word'. Frankly, Alfven is just another of history's human scientists as far as I'm concerned .. and he's not around to defend his personal opinions in the light of modern evidence.. so who cares?
Ahh .. deifying Hubble now as well, eh? Again, who cares about personal opinions he had prior to subsequent discoveries?
Well, that would only be because you say so ... and you aren't doing any science, so who cares? (I don't care .. why should I?)
Well as I recall at our last encounter, you demonstrated a major, rather bizarre brain-blockage about reconnection in a vacuum. You ran away from that discussion, too .. so your glorification of Alfven's frozen-in-time opinions is meaningless as far as real science is concerned.
'This is the word of lord Alfven', eh? Hilarious!
Once again, Alfven's models of plasma behaviours, described in the semantics of mathematics, (which of course originate from outside of 'the lab'), must be ruled out by your descriptions of what you refer to as 'science', yes?
You have handed me multiple tired light, scattering, etc papers, which, when considered together as an explanation for cosmological redsift, totally contradict each other.
This was pointed out to you several years ago but you continue to ignore it.
Occam's Razor is a philosophical principle used for guidance when all things are equal.
The consensus view is that are not, in this case. This is in spite of yours (and Lerner's) delusions, caused by personal denials of the evidence.
Ok Mr Mozina the great religious defender of the Lerner faith.
Please answer the following questions.
(1) What prevents Lerner's model of the Universe from collapsing?
It has been known since the 1920's that any static model of the Universe (Lerner's model is static) will collapse.
Einstein's introduction of the cosmological constant addressed this issue.
(2) How does Lerner's model explain the end of greatness distribution.
This is easily explained if the Universe is expanding.
(3) How is Lerner's model consistent with the second law of thermodynamics.
The second law states the Universe will eventually reach thermal equilibrium and will only be composed of photons and elementary particles.
Since Lerner's model is infinitely old it has had "enough time" to reach this state.
No such problems exist with an expanding Universe of finite age.
You should do that, and then you could stay there, and not be here.
According to Birkeland, all suns act as a cathode with respect to the surrounding interstellar plasma envelope, so I'd guess that "charge repulsion" might play a minor role. I'm sure that persistent EM fields and object movement (AKA gravity) play a role in stability factors.
Why doesn't the Earth collapse into the sun in *any* model?
The constant he introduced only had to keep the universe "stable", and could be anything *known to man*, including EM fields. Unlike LCDM proponents, Einstein never tried to create a new force of nature with his non zero constant.
Well, I'd imagine that in an infinite universe the energy emitted by suns and such is eventually recycled somewhere. Does gravity defy the second law of thermodynamics simply by providing "order" out of chaos?
Gravity alone would preclude it from every being in perfect thermal equilibrium everywhere. How do you *know* that all current forms of matter *must* turn to photons or subatomic particles?
.I think your premise is flawed. It assumes that something like a photon which is emitted by one sun cannot be absorbed and become part of another sun. It also pretty much ignores the role of gravity and EM fields in terms of organizing matter into "clumps"
Wrong it demonstrates you do not have even a basic knowledge of plasma physics.
Go read up on debye lengths and how electromagnetic forces are woefully short ranged and cannot prevent collapse.
Go read up on circular motion, centripetal forces, tangential forces in elliptical trajectories, Newton's inverse square force central law etc.
Completely and utterly wrong.
Go read up on the static de Sitter Universe model where Einstein introduced the cosmological constant as an opposing force to gravity to prevent collapse.
Wrong go read a text on basic thermodynamics.
Emphatically wrong. Does gravity effect the heat flow from a hot to cold body?
Go read up on particle physics theories such as GUT (will be way beyond your ability to comprehend).
Stars should have decayed in an infinite Universe.
Wow Michael I'm glad Murby supplied a list mental health providers because you seem to be suffering from a persecution complex.
Disagreeing with you and providing suggestions on how to plug those gaps in your knowledge isn't a personal attack.
I wondered how long it would take you to dredge up the classic line have I read a book on MHD?
Well in fact I have.
Since you seem to be an authority on the subject I'm struggling with a particular concept.
Can you explain to me how in a plasma force free field the magnetic fields are helical in nature.
The application of the Euler-Lagrange equations doesn't make sense to me.
Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Well, if you really want to understand the helical behaviors of plasma, I'd suggest you buy a plasma ball at the store, plug it in, and turn it on. The *current* is also partially responsible for that "helical" shape that you're talking about, not just "magnetism". You'll also see that those plasma threads are substantially longer than a debye length. The magnetic fields simply act to "pinch" the current into well defined columns of moving plasma, but the charge particle movement in each column is also influence by *electric* fields that actually do all the work and sustain those helical shaped plasma columns. That's also why the mainstream can't explain the heat source of the corona. They're trying to explain *everything* with "magnetism". Why do you think Alfven used *circuit* theory instead of MHD theory to explain coronal loops?
You are so dumb.....
"You'll also see that those plasma threads are substantially longer than a debye length."
What an absolute classic.
Actually, I'll give you that one. I guess that's what I get for posting at 1:30 AM and not proofreading.
You should retract the entire post because it has no relevance to plasma force free fields. Plasma force free fields cannot exist inside rigid structures due to the plasma pressure on the wall exceeding the plasma magnetic pressure, which makes your plasma ball example complete nonsense.
Rather than admitting you know nothing about plasma force free fields, you created a pack of lies which is nonsense in itself.
Er, no. In fact the primary reason that the mainstream does not understand the heat source of the corona, or any of the solar physics "mysteries" is directly related to the fact that they *ignore* the role of the electric fields that drive those processes.
Do you even know how to post a single post without taking the low road?
So let me see you not knowing anything about force free fields is because "...... the primary reason that the mainstream does not understand the heat source of the corona, or any of the solar physics "mysteries" is directly related to the fact that they *ignore* the role of the electric fields that drive those processes."
You are doing a wonderful job showing us why you are an idiot, I'm only stating the obvious.
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