Lake of Fire...

[DawnTillery]

Hello everyone.
Is hell and the lake of fire two different destinations?
I was asking because someone asked me (they thought they knew) that after the 1000 year reign of Christ that people would be given a second chance to accept Jesus as their savior? I was just wondering about that.
I have never heard of that till now.. thanks..

 

[DawnTillery]

CONTINUED............
Revelations 20:5 Actually all of Chapter 20..
thats where they are getting it from..

 

[Tenorvoice]

I do not have my notes with me right now I am @ work, so I can not give you the best answer that I know that I can right now.

I will answer this later on this evening.

 

[Tenorvoice]

Ok I am home now so .....

THis comes straight from the New Internationial Encyclopedia of Biblical words:

Hell. The popular notion of heaven and hell as the abodes of the souls of the dead is more or less correct. But as we have seen, "heaven" is used in a much broader, more significant sense. How then is "hell" used?

Three Greek words in the NT are most often used to express concepts associated with hell. The two most significant are gehenna and hades. (See ABYSS) Gehenna occurs twelve times in the NT (Mt 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15, 33; Mk 9:43, 45, 47; Lk 12:5; Jas 3:6). It is always translated "hell" in the NIV. The Greek word translated "sent ... to hell" in 2 Pe 2:4 appears only there in the NT; it is tartaroo, which means "to confine in Tartaros." Tartaros was the Greek name for the mythological abyss where rebellious gods were confined.

Hades occurs eleven times in the NT (Mt 11:23; 16:18; Lk 10:15; 16:23; Ac 2:27, 31; 1 Co 15:55; Rev 1:18; 6:8; 20:13-14). It is translated "Hades" in the NASB and variously by "death," "the grave," and "Hades" in the NIV.

The reason for the wider scope of translations in the NIV is that this version adopts the OT sense of the grave when quoting OT passages that contain s'ol (Mt 11:23; Lk 10:15; Ac 2:27, 31). These passages and 1 Co 15:55 refer to the place where the body goes after death.

But in other uses, hades means the temporary residence of the persons awaiting final judgment. Luke 16 contains Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus. Both of these men died. The rich man found himself in hades, "where he was in torment" (v. 23; cf. v. 28). He was in "agony" and in "fire" (v. 24). But Lazarus was comforted and was in Abraham's very arms. Between those in hades and the blessed dead there is a great and uncrossable gulf (v. 26).

Many believe that Jesus, at the time of his resurrection, released the saved of OT times from their place of waiting, causing them to go directly into God's presence (cf. 1 Th 4:14). Also, in Revelation's prophetic portrayal of the end it is only those awaiting final condemnation who are in hades when the "dead [will be] judged according to what they [have] done as recorded in the books" (Rev 20:12).

In NT times, the rabbis used the word gehenna to indicate the place of final punishment. Jesus maintained this meaning in the Gospels. In his warnings to his listeners Jesus often spoke of gehenna in association with fire (Mt 5:22; 18:9; Mk 9:43, 48). The phrase "eternal fire" is also used of hell, and human beings will be punished there in a fire prepared for "the devil and his angels" (Mt 25:41).

The most striking picture of eternal punishment is found in the Book of Revelation. There the state of the condemned is described. They are in a "fiery lake of burning sulfur" (19:20; cf. 20:10), a "lake of fire" (20:14-15), where "they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever" (20:10).

Hope that helps

 

[Sketcher]

Excellent post, Tenorvoice. Adding to it:

Many believe that Jesus, at the time of his resurrection, released the saved of OT times from their place of waiting, causing them to go directly into God's presence (cf. 1 Th 4:14). Also, in Revelation's prophetic portrayal of the end it is only those awaiting final condemnation who are in hades when the "dead [will be] judged according to what they [have] done as recorded in the books" (Rev 20:12).

This may be why so many holy men rose from the dead when Jesus died. Their sins were atoned for at last, so they were no longer confined. So perhaps on their way up to God they made a stop on Earth and testified a little. But that's just my own little theory, I may be wrong.

In NT times, the rabbis used the word gehenna to indicate the place of final punishment. Jesus maintained this meaning in the Gospels. In his warnings to his listeners Jesus often spoke of gehenna in association with fire (Mt 5:22; 18:9; Mk 9:43, 48). The phrase "eternal fire" is also used of hell, and human beings will be punished there in a fire prepared for "the devil and his angels" (Mt 25:41).

Named after the Gehenna Valley, where idols used to be worshipped. It had been turned into a giant garbage dump where the trash was always burned. The fire never went out, ever.

 

[Simonline]

Hello everyone.
Is hell and the lake of fire two different destinations?
I was asking because someone asked me (they thought they knew) that after the 1000 year reign of Christ that people would be given a second chance to accept Jesus as their savior? I was just wondering about that.
I have never heard of that till now.. thanks..

'Hell' and 'the everlasting Lake of Fire' are not one and the same place (Rev.20:14)

The idea that people will be given 'one last chance' after the first death to repent and come to faith in the Messiah is not substantiated either from or by the Scriptures (Heb.9:27).

The passage in 1Pet.3:18-21 which speaks of the Messiah 'preaching' to the spirits in prison '...who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark (container (in which to place things for safekeeping) not ship see 'the ark of the covenant') was being built...' does not mean that the Messiah preached the gospel to anyone during his three days in the grave (since this would contradict Heb.9:27).

There are several words in Greek which are translated 'preach'. The one which means 'to preach the gospel' is Evangelion from which we get the verb 'to evangelize' i.e. 'to preach the gospel for the purpose of offering salvation' but this is not the word which is used in 1Pet.3:19.

The other word is kerysso (Strongs Concordance number 3062) which means to declare, proclaim or make known (but does not specifically relate to the proclamation of the Christian gospel for the purpose of offering salvation). This is the word that is used in 1Pet.3:19 and refers to the Messianic declaration that he is the One whom those disobedient spirits sought, back in the days of Noah, to prevent from coming into being by trying to corrupt the entire human race through inter-breeding with the 'sons of God' (Gen.6:1-8) - a reference to fallen angels (demons) - which produced the demonic-human hybrid - the Nephilim (Gen.6) - giants, of whom Goliath was a descendent, and Og of Bashan, with his 13 foot by 6 foot iron bedstead (Deut.3:11). The Nephilim were just one of the tribes of giants, there were several other tribes too, many of whom were wiped out when the Israelites conquered Canaan.

Please note however, there are other interpretations of Gen.6:1-8, but for me, this is the one which is most convincing and consistent with the rest of Scripture (especially 1Pet.3:18-21 and Heb.9:27).

Simonline.

 

[Simonline]

Named after the Gehenna Valley, where idols used to be worshipped. It had been turned into a giant garbage dump where the trash was always burned. The fire never went out, ever.

Gehenna - Ge-Hinnom = the valley (Ge) of Hinnom (Hinnom/Henna)...the place where the Israelites used to sacrifice their children to Molech:

Canaanite Child Sacrifice ​

The hideous image of Molech, the god of the Ammonites, once more rose in the valley of Hinnom and Manasseh himself lead the way in consecrating his own children, not to YHWH but to this grisly idol, or as the phrase ran, making him pass through the fire to the god; as if the flames, burning away the earthly impure body, let the freed soul pass through them, cleansed from all taint of earth, to unite with the godhead…Human sacrifice became common at the “high places of Tophet” in the valley of Hinnom; the stately central mound, on which the idol towered aloft, rising deep and large in the midst.

Night time seems to have been the special time for these awful immolations [to immolate = to set alight]. The screams of the children bound to the altars or rolling into fire from the brazen arms of the idol [through the hole in its chest where the child fell into the flames below – the idol was hollow and white hot]; the shouts and hymns of the frantic crowd; and the wild tumult of drums and shrill instruments, by which the screams of the victims were sought to be drowned out, rose in discordance over the city [Jerusalem]; forming, with the whole scene, visible from the walls by the glow of the furnaces and flames, such an ideal of transcendent horror, that the name of the valley [‘Ge Hinnom’ = ‘Valley of Hinnom’] became, and still continues, in the form of ‘Gehenna’ the usual word for ‘hell’ [i.e. the everlasting lake of fire].”

Cunningham Geikie Hours With The Bible: Manasseh To Zedekiah (New York: John B. Alden, 1887) 25-26; [quoted in Ravi Zacharias Deliver Us From Evil (Word Publishing 1996) pg 135].

Simonline.

 

[Endure2]

well the bible says that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire in revelations. so i dont believe hell and the lake of fire are the same.
i believe hell is the name of the spirit or whatever that resides over the lake of fire or something right now. but thats getting really out there and i dont know.

but i do believe hell is a demon or fallen angels name. but its completely unprovable if you ask me becuase you only have a few scriptures to even look at about it, and they arent very clear about somethings.

i use to read alot about such things, the diffrences between demons and fallen angels, and the abyss, the bottomless pit, hell, the lake of fire and how they arent all the same things or creatures... but i got bored with it becuase it didnt seem to do me any real good.

though there are alot of ideas out there and some are explained extensively.
like Finis Dake went to great lengths to explain and prove what he believed.