Lack of Faith in Genesis

[ZiSunka]

Since everyone is one the 'exactly' band wagon: Exactly!

So, what do the majority of you responding in this thread think? Did God create just as he says in Genesis, or did he use the evoloutionary methods.

In my own opinion, and you can call this stubborn pride or blind faith if you like; I believe the creation record hands down despite any evidence to the contrary.

I think the creation of the universe was so complex and our minds are so simple that God couldn't begin to explain the process to us anymore than I could explain quantum physics to my dog. So he simplified everything down to the few sentences he gave us in Genesis.

Furthermore, I don't think "how" he did it is anywhere near as important or perplexing as "why" he did it. The question of WHY did God create the universe is much more interesting and answerable than HOW He created the universe.

 

[ZiSunka]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

 

[CFoster]

Do you think that a belief in Evoloution is actually a Lack of Faith in the creation record?

I think the problem with the belief in evolution is not that it disproves the creation theory, but that it is perceived by many believers and non-believers to disprove the creation theory and the existence of God. Because of this, I believe creation should be talked about as it is written in Genesis, without regards to any worldly theories on the matter.

I love to think about the fact that EVERYTHING was created by God. I give Him glory for that, and do not need to know how he did it to glorify Him for it.

 

[Gold Dragon]

but that it is perceived by many believers and non-believers to disprove ... the existence of God.

It is that perception that is wrong and needs to change. Evolution does oppose some theories of creation that arise from some interpretations of Genesis, but it says absolutely nothing about the existence of God and in no way invalidates the truth of the bible.

This is very similar to theories of the earth being a sphere and circling the sun opposing theories of a flat-earth and geocentric solar system that were supported by some interpretations of the bible.

 

[CFoster]

Gold Dragon

It is that perception that is wrong and needs to change

I agree totally. My faith is not shaken at all by the theory of evolution. But we have to be mindfull of our brothers that see this as a stumbling block. I don't believe that an understanding of God's means of creation are important from a salvation standpoint.

It is marvelous that some are offended by the theory of evolution because it states that humans are a direct decendent of apes. But the written Word goes even further than that, does it not? What were we made out of, earth(dirt), was it not?

 

[Gold Dragon]

It is marvelous that some are offended by the theory of evolution because it states that humans are a direct decendent of apes. But the written Word goes even further than that, does it not? What were we made out of, earth(dirt), was it not?

Maybe the dirt was from a decomposed ape.

 

[CFoster]

I forgot the name of the Old Testament prophet who God referred to as Son of Dirt, or Son of Dust, something like that! I love that! A person chosen to be the mouth piece of God, and He referred to him as Son of Dirt! "To Him Glory ever more"!

Does anybody know the name of that prophet?

 

[ZiSunka]

I forgot the name of the Old Testament prophet who God referred to as Son of Dirt, or Son of Dust, something like that! I love that! A person chosen to be the mouth piece of God, and He referred to him as Son of Dirt! "To Him Glory ever more"!

Does anybody know the name of that prophet?

Ezekial

 

[CFoster]

Ezekial, Thank you Lambslove!

 

[jbarcher]

Since I've heard that used far too many times as an indirect slam on one side or the other in the creation / evolution debate (although I'm sure that's not your intent), could you clarify?

It's my experience that it's generally a matter of faith in the interpretation, both of scripture and of the understanding of physical evidence. Lack of faith really doesn't seem to be applicable, as faith is required to take either side (faith that whichever interpretation you choose is correct).

Note: this may be more topical for the Origins Theology forum, although it would probably turn into an extended debate there rather than just personal observations and opinions.

Sorry for the ambiguity. Fortunately I'm not committed any way...

Well, we are removed a few centuries or so () from the 'biblical times'. The meaning of a text, any text, is what the author intended. If we are to discover the meaning, we will first have to bridge that time gap--crossing the social, cultural, historial, literary gaps. Whoops...need to go

 

[lismore]

Do you think that a belief in Evoloution is actually a Lack of Faith in the creation record?

Yes absolutely. Creation and evolution are polar opposites. The Creation account tells us that death came into the world when adam sinned and man fell, evolution tells us that death was needed for millenia before adam fell in order for adam to evolve. Death came through sin and when the Lord comes back sin and death are gone- its back to the way it was before.

Evolution undermines the Creation account of the holy bible as it was intended to. Remember the ancient Greeks had philosophies that tried to remove creation by the Lord. Evolution is a new manifestation of an old phenomenon: Satanic deception. You were created in the image of God, knitted together in the womb, you are fearfully and wonderfully made, you are apart from the animal Kingdom, you have dominion over the animal Kingdom, you are not descended from a clever ape. You were created on a day, apes on another day.

God Bless
Lismore

 

[lismore]

Do you think that a belief in Evoloution is actually a Lack of Faith in the creation record?

One word of friendly advice, if you are doubting that God created as stated exactly in the Genesis record then pray to him and pour out your heart to him, call upon the Lord and he will answer you. He will speak clearly and show you this as promised dozens of times in his word.