Labor Unions and Adventist

[reddogs]

Well, here is something interesting I came across..

"Legal Battle Begins Over Unionization at Loma Linda University Health

On Monday, March 13, a pre-election hearing began with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) to determine whether medical residents at Loma Linda University Health (LLUH) will be allowed a formal vote to unionize. In February, organizers collected signatures from the required 30% of residents to file for an election with the NLRB, seeking to be represented by the Union of American Physicians & Dentists.

The NLRB is an independent federal agency responsible for enforcing labor law in the United States. Both the regional NLRB office overseeing the case and the national NLRB Board denied LLUH?s request to stop the pre-election hearing while it makes an argument that the government can?t interfere in its labor relations due to religious freedom.

On March 14, Loma Linda University Health also filed a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking preliminary and permanent injunctions against the NLRB. ?If the Church were to be ordered by the Board to recognize and bargain with the Union, it would be forced under the threat of civil sanction to act contrary to its long-standing and well-established religious teachings regarding labor organizations,? the complaint reads...."

Legal Battle Begins Over Unionization at Loma Linda University Health

 

[reddogs]

We know what SOP says on Labor Unions..
"The work of the people of God is to prepare for the events of the future, which will soon come upon them with blinding force. In the world gigantic monopolies will be formed. Men will bind themselves together in unions that will wrap them in the folds of the enemy. A few men will combine to grasp all the means to be obtained in certain lines of business. Trades unions will be formed, and those who refuse to join these unions will be marked men....

The principles governing the forming of these unions seem innocent, but men have to pledge themselves to serve the interests of these unions, or else they may have to pay the penalty of refusal with their lives.

These unions are one of the signs of the last days. Men are binding up in bundles ready to be burned. They may be church members, but while they belong to these unions, they cannot possibly keep the commandments of God; for to belong to these unions means to disregard the entire decalogue.

?Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself? [Luke 10:27]. These words sum up the whole duty of man. They mean the consecration of the whole being, body, soul, and spirit, to God?s service. How can men obey these words, and at the same time pledge themselves to support that which deprives their neighbors of freedom of action? And how can men obey these words, and form combinations that rob the poorer classes of the advantages which justly belong to them, preventing them from buying or selling, except under certain conditions! How plainly the words of God have predicted this condition of things. John writes, ?I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon?. and he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name? [Revelation 13:11, 16, 17].

The forming of these unions is one of Satan?s last efforts. God calls upon His people to get out of the cities, isolating themselves from the world. The time will come when they will have to do this. God will care for those who love Him and keep His commandments.?E. G. White Letter 26, 1903, Portions in Selected Messages 2:142, 143. "

And yet it seems Adventist are setting that aside and binding themselves up with the chaff...

 

[reddogs]

And came across Loma Linda's response.. https://www.reddit.com/r/Residency/comments/11sb106

 

[BobRyan]

I have never joined a union but I understand the problem.

"On Monday, March 13, a pre-election hearing began with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) to determine whether medical residents at Loma Linda University Health (LLUH) will be allowed a formal vote to unionize."

Here is the "rub" -- labor unions often begin when those in power (usually employers) take liberties with conditions of employment - to the point of "abuse". The Orthodox church in Russia paved the way for Communism because they were so abusive that communism appeared to be a much better solution.

If residence were working 40 to 50 hour work weeks and had 2 days off per week with no more than 8 to 10 hours per day of work - I doubt you would see this move for unionizing.

 

[Freth]

I can speak from my personal experiences with a labor union. I was a member of a union for thirty years as an employee of a telecommunications company. I saw the benefits of being a member of the union many times, but there were also times when the union seemed to just be a means to siphon extra money from your paycheck. The union protected our rights, fought for new ones, and ensured our pay increased on a schedule, but sometimes it felt like they would settle for less than what we wanted in our contract with the company.

I can see both sides of the coin vs unions, because I experienced them. When a union is working for the employees, it's a great thing to be a member of. When it's not, you just want to leave, but you can't.

My view is that if they're being mistreated, then I'm for unionization, but if they're not, then it's unwarranted and unnecessary. It's when a union becomes a behemoth and special interests start dictating that they stop being a benefit to the employee and start being self-serving.

 

[reddogs]

I can speak from my personal experiences with a labor union. I was a member of a union for thirty years as an employee of a telecommunications company. I saw the benefits of being a member of the union many times, but there were also times when the union seemed to just be a means to siphon extra money from your paycheck. The union protected our rights, fought for new ones, and ensured our pay increased on a schedule, but sometimes it felt like they would settle for less than what we wanted in our contract with the company.

I can see both sides of the coin vs unions, because I experienced them. When a union is working for the employees, it's a great thing to be a member of. When it's not, you just want to leave, but you can't.

My view is that if they're being mistreated, then I'm for unionization, but if they're not, then it's unwarranted and unnecessary. It's when a union becomes a behemoth and special interests start dictating that they stop being a benefit to the employee and start being self-serving.

Well, I never had to join a union in any job I had, but my wife did. She said you were told that you had to vote and who to vote for among the many things they did, and people who didnt, were fired. So if you wanted to keep your job....

 

[Freth]

Well, I never had to join a union in any job I had, but my wife did. She said you were told that you had to vote and who to vote for among the many things they did, and people who didnt, were fired. So if you wanted to keep your job....

We voted on contracts, but it was our choice. If we didn't accept the contract we voted no and they went back to the table to try to get more for us. If the company didn't want to give us what we wanted, there was the potential that we would strike. I was part of a strike once in my career. I remember we went to my boss's house and picketed. The next day he said he saw me there, as if to say, "I know you were there, and I'll punish you for it." He tried to be intimidating and follow me to the restroom (acting like he was getting a pop from the machine, as the restroom was across from the cafeteria), but he wasn't very good at it. One time I got up and "went to the restroom". I knew he would follow me, so I took the stairs, went up and across to the other stairway and back down. By the time he got back I was at my desk working, and he looked at me so weird. lol

 

[eleos1954]

Well, here is something interesting I came across..

"Legal Battle Begins Over Unionization at Loma Linda University Health

On Monday, March 13, a pre-election hearing began with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) to determine whether medical residents at Loma Linda University Health (LLUH) will be allowed a formal vote to unionize. In February, organizers collected signatures from the required 30% of residents to file for an election with the NLRB, seeking to be represented by the Union of American Physicians & Dentists.

The NLRB is an independent federal agency responsible for enforcing labor law in the United States. Both the regional NLRB office overseeing the case and the national NLRB Board denied LLUH?s request to stop the pre-election hearing while it makes an argument that the government can?t interfere in its labor relations due to religious freedom.

On March 14, Loma Linda University Health also filed a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking preliminary and permanent injunctions against the NLRB. ?If the Church were to be ordered by the Board to recognize and bargain with the Union, it would be forced under the threat of civil sanction to act contrary to its long-standing and well-established religious teachings regarding labor organizations,? the complaint reads...."

Legal Battle Begins Over Unionization at Loma Linda University Health

Seems to me if Loma Linda Uni is under the administration of the SDA church (religious teachings)..... The National Labor Relations Board is an independent federal agency

Sepration of chuch and state ..... non of the states (governments) business.