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Kylie's Pool Challenge, Mark II

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The scripture isn’t mistaken. It’s the truth. Relativism plays no part in it.
 
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This is exactly the same mode of thinking that had people convinced they should fly aircraft into skyscrapers...
 
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The scripture isn’t mistaken. It’s the truth. Relativism plays no part in it.
"They all say that"; believers in all scripturally supported gods will assert the same.

Consider the probabilities: given the hundreds or thousands of conflicting god claims asserting exclusive supernatural truth that have been made throughout history, what is more likely: that all are simply human fictions, or that one of those hundreds or thousands happens to be correct? If the latter, what are the chances I just happen to be in the right time and place in all of history to be talking to its believers?

Multiplying the two tiny probabilities together suggests that the chances your claim is correct are negligible - and that's before we've even considered the plausibility of, and evidence for, such supernatural claims in themselves.
 
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This is exactly the same mode of thinking that had people convinced they should fly aircraft into skyscrapers...
Not if Jesus is our pilot.
 
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This is exactly the same mode of thinking that had people convinced they should fly aircraft into skyscrapers...
I’m just curious. If you don’t believe in the God of the Bible, why do you care what I have to say? I honestly don’t understand.
 
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Do you believe in evolution?
 
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Do you believe in evolution?
What does one mean when one says "believe in"?

When I was a Christian, I would say I believe in Jesus which carried with it the connotation of a commitment.

So, no, I don't believe in evolution. I accept that evolution is the theory that best explains the data.
 
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  • 1a: to consider to be true or honest
    believe the reports
    you wouldn't believe how long it took
    b: to accept the word or evidence of I believe you
    couldn't believe my ears
 
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  • 1a: to consider to be true or honest
    believe the reports
    you wouldn't believe how long it took
    b: to accept the word or evidence of I believe you
    couldn't believe my ears
Words mean what people mean them to mean. When a believer(*) says "believe in", they don't mean just "consider as true". Or, if they do, it still carries with it a connotation of commitment.

I do not live as if evolution is true or false the way a believer commits to live when they "believe in" Jesus.

I accept that evolution is the best explanation.
 
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That’s a difference without a distinction. But regardless, the question wasn’t right you, so I’m not sure why we are discussing this.
 
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When I was a Christian,
Did you get all these benefits?

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,


If so, what made you give them up?
 
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Not if by 'belief' you mean accepting something as true without conclusive evidence; evolution has been observed repeatedly, both in the lab and in the wild, so I take its occurrence as a fact.
How did it all start?
 
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You need a better analogy than that if you are looking at disproving Intelligent Design and Creationism.

I for one would not have a problem with both things and could believe them simultaneously. That the pool break, little break, I suppose a microcosm of the big break, aka Big Bang happened as you say. But that there was a kind of "guiding force" if you will to the process and especially when it comes to origins of Life if that is the ultimate point you are getting at.
 
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How did it all start?
Good question. Theists believe that God "started it" in some fashion. Scientists are working on it with some energy, as it is an interesting question.
 
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