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<blockquote data-quote="PsychoSarah" data-source="post: 71003304" data-attributes="member: 345531"><p>-_- that contradicts your own religion; faith is obviously a requirement to get into heaven (with a small number of denominations deviating from that tenant). Furthermore, one must expose themselves to the basic concept of Christianity before they have any chance of believing it; believers don't just come about spontaneously without ever knowing about the religion first. That's why the bible encourages people to "spread the word", so to speak. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, because believing in something is not a fully conscious choice. If it were, I'd most certainly believe in an afterlife, and likely be a theist. But I can't just believe something to be true just because I want to believe it. This means that the deity as you describe rewards and punishes with little to no conscious input by the individual. I view that as morally questionable; for the sake of fairness, everyone should have a completely equal opportunity to have faith. Yet... what a surprise, most Christians were indoctrinated as children, with little to no say on what they want to believe or exposure to different ideas. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>That makes it even worse. This means that the deity could entirely deny someone the opportunity for redemption and a good afterlife, withholding this "gift". Seeing as I have been a seeker since I was 13, I haven't rejected said gift, now have I? Furthermore, that is your personal interpretation of how faith works in Christianity, not a universally accepted or even entirely common perspective. Most people that I have come across view the good afterlife as the reward for keeping faith, not faith itself as the reward. Unless you consider the deity to give people everything always, which makes the distinction you made a bit redundant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PsychoSarah, post: 71003304, member: 345531"] -_- that contradicts your own religion; faith is obviously a requirement to get into heaven (with a small number of denominations deviating from that tenant). Furthermore, one must expose themselves to the basic concept of Christianity before they have any chance of believing it; believers don't just come about spontaneously without ever knowing about the religion first. That's why the bible encourages people to "spread the word", so to speak. Yes, because believing in something is not a fully conscious choice. If it were, I'd most certainly believe in an afterlife, and likely be a theist. But I can't just believe something to be true just because I want to believe it. This means that the deity as you describe rewards and punishes with little to no conscious input by the individual. I view that as morally questionable; for the sake of fairness, everyone should have a completely equal opportunity to have faith. Yet... what a surprise, most Christians were indoctrinated as children, with little to no say on what they want to believe or exposure to different ideas. That makes it even worse. This means that the deity could entirely deny someone the opportunity for redemption and a good afterlife, withholding this "gift". Seeing as I have been a seeker since I was 13, I haven't rejected said gift, now have I? Furthermore, that is your personal interpretation of how faith works in Christianity, not a universally accepted or even entirely common perspective. Most people that I have come across view the good afterlife as the reward for keeping faith, not faith itself as the reward. Unless you consider the deity to give people everything always, which makes the distinction you made a bit redundant. [/QUOTE]
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